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Old 07-21-2014, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
That right there is a funny statement! Honesty and jetblue management do not run hand in hand.
Jetblue is a business first and foremost. Management at Jetblue is not your friend. Jetblue pilots need to learn this fact. Because management has controlled the message the truth has been shrouded in spin. From pay and benefits to safety or ASAP. This isn't to say Jetblue is a bad job but that its just that, a job. Culture is a term jetblue spins and spins to justify its altered message and, in the end, lies and deceit.
Whether pilots like the new union or not they will finally hear the truth. Much of it will be eye opening.
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Old 07-21-2014, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by skypilot35
I understand what you're saying, but I personally believe that we as pilots have given away too much of our command authority. I am referring to the perception this creates. The perception that the pilot is just another employee at the airline. The perception that extends beyond the interview process. The perception that a pilot and FA are somehow equals (in this case the FA is the superior).
And I agree, to a point. When it comes to things like jumpseats, is this customer going or not and other things where CA used to have "final authority," I agree that a lot of it has been eroded. However, what we're talking about is weeding out the guys that are gonna be jerks once they get on the line. For most of the things FAs deal with, the CA is there to back them up. I have no clue how to evacuate my airplane, so "exercising my command authority" in that situation is only gonna screw things up. The best thing to do is let the FAs do their jobs and ask "How can I help?" A CA that DOESN'T see his FAs as equals (or at least part of the team) is gonna have a difficult time with taking direction from them.

I guess the way I look at it is the CA has the final say so on 99% of the stuff, but the rest of the crew's input has to be valued equally. "Because I'm the CA and I say so" went out with Pan AM. Works great at the Asian airlines, I guess.....
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:03 AM
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For those so offended by FAs interviewing pilots: Can you honestly sit there and tell me, if given the opportunity, you wouldn't want to interview your future boss? The Captain is the day in, day out manager (boss) of inflight. I know I would be much happier if I had a say in the people hired in the CPO or upper management.

If they are hiring for "culture," it makes sense. That being said, the culture is bull and they can keep it.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EMB4Ever
For those so offended by FAs interviewing pilots: Can you honestly sit there and tell me, if given the opportunity, you wouldn't want to interview your future boss? The Captain is the day in, day out manager (boss) of inflight. I know I would be much happier if I had a say in the people hired in the CPO or upper management.

If they are hiring for "culture," it makes sense. That being said, the culture is bull and they can keep it.
Obviously you haven't seen flight attendant training or captain authority at Jetblue.

During initial training flight attendants are directed to stay clear of pilots while the topic of captain authority is NEVER discussed.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
Pilots don't work for HR either but they are there and are a big part of the process. Pilots hiring pilots would be great but instead its HR asking question after question trying to play mind games. Why are you so upset about it if you don't want to work for JB in the first place?
Look, Im sure the FAs sitting in on the interview are great people and as you stated HR is in the mix for many organizations (not the one I currently work for). I am "upset" about it (some will get this and others will not) because the command authority of the pilot is constantly being diminished by actions like this. On numerous occasions I have seen / heard gate agents attempt to contradict Captains. I have heard station managers make statements that pilots are "nothing but glorified bus drivers". FAs telling a Captain he couldn't put a bag (his bag) in the flight deck. It goes on and on. Where do they get the idea that the Captain is obligated to follow their "orders"? From programs like the one instituted at JetBlue.

JetBlue is a great company. The pilots I have met have all been awesome guys / gals. I do believe however that the tactics used by management in the hiring process are specifically designed to reduce the prestige associated with the position. It's aimed at developing a culture that says, "All you workers are equals"...we're not. Whether you like the double breasted blazer (Delta) or not the authority of the Captain is absolute and before anyone throws out the CRM argument, the majority of those pilots run a great crew.

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Old 07-21-2014, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Kellwolf
And I agree, to a point. When it comes to things like jumpseats, is this customer going or not and other things where CA used to have "final authority," I agree that a lot of it has been eroded. However, what we're talking about is weeding out the guys that are gonna be jerks once they get on the line. For most of the things FAs deal with, the CA is there to back them up. I have no clue how to evacuate my airplane, so "exercising my command authority" in that situation is only gonna screw things up. The best thing to do is let the FAs do their jobs and ask "How can I help?" A CA that DOESN'T see his FAs as equals (or at least part of the team) is gonna have a difficult time with taking direction from them.

I guess the way I look at it is the CA has the final say so on 99% of the stuff, but the rest of the crew's input has to be valued equally. "Because I'm the CA and I say so" went out with Pan AM. Works great at the Asian airlines, I guess.....
I agree with you 100%, but another pilot, specifically a line captain, sitting in on the interview will be able to make the determination of whether or not the applicant is a jerk. "Do I want to spend 4 days in a cockpit with this guy?" has always been the litmus test.
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Old 07-21-2014, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by benzoate
Obviously you haven't seen flight attendant training or captain authority at Jetblue.

During initial training flight attendants are directed to stay clear of pilots while the topic of captain authority is NEVER discussed.
Oh, I have seen, and like I said, the "culture" is bull (both the culture they try to sell people on and the culture they practice.)
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Old 07-21-2014, 10:05 AM
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If the FA's had to do what we did to get to this point I would respect their position much more. I know personally many of them are great people etc, how ever not for one second do I forget that many of them came from Starbuck type jobs. Not ten plus years of training and being in the business . They have much less riding on this career then we do. They can make this same money doing many other easy jobs.

I have heard many stories of how the FA's have done their hiring arguing that one was cute and looked hot in his suite etc, don't know this to be true but if it is , than it's a joke and not getting any respect from me . I ll play the game be nice do my job and be professional and go home. Not for a second do I think we are on the same skill level. They chose a different path, plain and simple .

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With regards to the topic I have met a few who I would feel could conduct a interview and do a fantastic job finding the right pilot candidate , that being said this is a very very very small percentage of those I could trust to do this.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:44 PM
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Again FAs do not belong in the pilot interview process. Period.
Do the pilots get to do FA interviews? If not, then I agree. My idea of an FA is vastly different then most airlines are hiring nowadays.
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ResinHead
regardless of who interviews you, it's not technical. they are looking at your personality because they feel very strong about finding people that fit their culture. you should be able to sit down and have an HONEST conversation with anyone at this company. some people are good liers and slip through the cracks but for the most part their system seems to be working and I know a lot of great people that have made it.

I find it laughable that some of you are so offended by this. who cares whether or not they include FA's in the, again... none technical, interview proses. if you get an interview with jB, check your ego at the door.
Is that really how you think the word process is spelled??
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