jetBlue Hiring
05-27-2013, 01:53 PM
#32
SDQ Base Chief
Joined APC: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot
Wanna thank the line pilots from blue for the insight. Is the pay still 2500 for the duration or is it 500 a week?
05-27-2013, 01:56 PM
#33
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Posts: 2,594
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
2500/mo until you finish your last Simulator check. Then it goes to 70hrs/mo until you finish IOE, then it will most likely go to 75hrs/month when they build you a reserve line
05-28-2013, 12:21 AM
#34
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 244
Originally Posted by 402DRVR
That's good info. If I am lucky enough to get the call in the next couple months I am wondering which equipment would be better to bid. Obviously the bus pays more after year one, but it is about more than pay.
I am hoping to be BOS based as it is an easy drive from my home. New York's about 3.5 so not really able to sit reserve at home. If one bids the bus and gets JFK, is there any idea how long it would take to get to BOS. Or, alternatively, to hold a line? Same for the 190.
Not that pay s unimportant but I am looking for the greatest QOL meaning more time home as we have a daughter due next month. What other factors would some of you JetBlue guys consider in bidding aircraft?
Thanks for any info. While I'm at it, what is training like these days, length of time, opportunity to travel home, etc. Thanks
I am hoping to be BOS based as it is an easy drive from my home. New York's about 3.5 so not really able to sit reserve at home. If one bids the bus and gets JFK, is there any idea how long it would take to get to BOS. Or, alternatively, to hold a line? Same for the 190.
Not that pay s unimportant but I am looking for the greatest QOL meaning more time home as we have a daughter due next month. What other factors would some of you JetBlue guys consider in bidding aircraft?
Thanks for any info. While I'm at it, what is training like these days, length of time, opportunity to travel home, etc. Thanks
05-28-2013, 02:22 AM
#35
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Originally Posted by chucknorris
Bid the e190. First year pay is the same on both fleets and a line holder on either aircraft makes more money period. After year 2 bid the bus bos where by then you could hold a line. If you bid the '320 you will be commuting to reserve for at least 6 months.
05-28-2013, 02:36 AM
#36
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Joined APC: Jun 2006
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For my class, 190 was the best way to go.
First year pay is the same but the bus guys sat reserve all year while the 190 guys held a line after 2-3 months. Year one the 190 guys were around 15k ahead depending on their credit.
Second year pay the bus guys make 10% more than the 190 guys but are still on reserve while the 190 guys bid ~50-60% in base. Year two the 190 guys are again ~15k ahead (or more).
Total difference of around 30k over two years as well as schedule flexibility. I still couldnt hold a line in the 320. when you can hold a line in the 320 and start to gain a little seniority then it is the way to go.
First year pay is the same but the bus guys sat reserve all year while the 190 guys held a line after 2-3 months. Year one the 190 guys were around 15k ahead depending on their credit.
Second year pay the bus guys make 10% more than the 190 guys but are still on reserve while the 190 guys bid ~50-60% in base. Year two the 190 guys are again ~15k ahead (or more).
Total difference of around 30k over two years as well as schedule flexibility. I still couldnt hold a line in the 320. when you can hold a line in the 320 and start to gain a little seniority then it is the way to go.
05-28-2013, 06:21 PM
#37
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This is great information, thanks everyone. I'm starting class in a few weeks, I live between FLL and MCO and am trying to decide equipment type if given the choice. If I'm a 190 line holder in JFK, is it possible to swap with trips in MCO or pick up open time in MCO? Thanks for the help!
05-28-2013, 07:30 PM
#38
Line Holder
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Posts: 97
Originally Posted by texpilot
This is great information, thanks everyone. I'm starting class in a few weeks, I live between FLL and MCO and am trying to decide equipment type if given the choice. If I'm a 190 line holder in JFK, is it possible to swap with trips in MCO or pick up open time in MCO? Thanks for the help!
05-28-2013, 08:01 PM
#39
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Originally Posted by texpilot
This is great information, thanks everyone. I'm starting class in a few weeks, I live between FLL and MCO and am trying to decide equipment type if given the choice. If I'm a 190 line holder in JFK, is it possible to swap with trips in MCO or pick up open time in MCO? Thanks for the help!
05-29-2013, 05:25 AM
#40
Furloughed Again?!
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Boeing 737
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This isn't really part of the topic of this thread (as far as we know) but a buddy of mine sent me an email explaining the 3a lawsuit for those of us who never heard of it before yesterday. I thought the information was important enough to share. Here is what he sent me:
"I’m sure you have heard by now that the judge ruled in favor of the pilots on the “3A arbitration.” 3A refers to the section of our PEA (individual contract) that states that every pilot will receive an identical percentage pay increase that a new hire receives. In 2007, the 190 pilot rates were extremely low and the company increased the 190 pay rates without increasing Airbus wages an equal percentage amount. This was found to be in violation of section 3A of our PEA.
This is obviously good for those pilots that were involved in the lawsuit, but I’m not sure how it will affect us that are not involved. I don’t think it will negatively affect us too much. The good things that came out of this are that there is now legal precedence that we can be viewed as a group and not viewed as individual contractors (beneficial in a merger). Maybe it will also force the company to treat the PEA as a real contract instead of changing it on a whim when they feel necessary.
I don’t know how or when the pilots will be paid as that is yet to be determined. There is obviously a lot of speculation about back pay, future pay rates, and a B-scale. There is a lot of discussion on the company ***** board about future pay rates, and it may stand that after our pay increase for 2014 the rates will be in line to what the pay rates would be as dictated by the 3A ruling, therefore no B-scale. There are some, and especially the lower-level management types, that say the company will do the right thing and if the 3A guys are giving an increase due to the ruling, they will give it to everybody. I would be surprised if that happens, but I don’t really know.
I’ll let you know as I hear more official information, but I am thinking and hoping that this will be better for all pilots. On the downside, the company is now liable for a very large pay out that could have an impact on other areas. We’ll see how it all plays out."
"I’m sure you have heard by now that the judge ruled in favor of the pilots on the “3A arbitration.” 3A refers to the section of our PEA (individual contract) that states that every pilot will receive an identical percentage pay increase that a new hire receives. In 2007, the 190 pilot rates were extremely low and the company increased the 190 pay rates without increasing Airbus wages an equal percentage amount. This was found to be in violation of section 3A of our PEA.
This is obviously good for those pilots that were involved in the lawsuit, but I’m not sure how it will affect us that are not involved. I don’t think it will negatively affect us too much. The good things that came out of this are that there is now legal precedence that we can be viewed as a group and not viewed as individual contractors (beneficial in a merger). Maybe it will also force the company to treat the PEA as a real contract instead of changing it on a whim when they feel necessary.
I don’t know how or when the pilots will be paid as that is yet to be determined. There is obviously a lot of speculation about back pay, future pay rates, and a B-scale. There is a lot of discussion on the company ***** board about future pay rates, and it may stand that after our pay increase for 2014 the rates will be in line to what the pay rates would be as dictated by the 3A ruling, therefore no B-scale. There are some, and especially the lower-level management types, that say the company will do the right thing and if the 3A guys are giving an increase due to the ruling, they will give it to everybody. I would be surprised if that happens, but I don’t really know.
I’ll let you know as I hear more official information, but I am thinking and hoping that this will be better for all pilots. On the downside, the company is now liable for a very large pay out that could have an impact on other areas. We’ll see how it all plays out."
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