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01-31-2021, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Sure, I already mentioned it. Delta came to Comair with a deal for ALPA: 2 year pay freeze in exchange for 35 aircraft. A no vote means the aircraft go to Republic and Skywest. Vote passes 61% to 39%. Delta grabs one CRJ off of ASA’s certificate, gives it to Comair, and the pay freeze kicks in the first day it’s in revenue service. ASA guys throw a cow because “Comair took concessions to fly our planes” but they forget it overnight because Delta announces that ASA has just been sold to SKW.
Fast forward several weeks. Delta files bankruptcy, and as a wholly-owned, Comair goes BK as well. Delta immediately notifies Comair that, due to Comair’s BK status, they will not be able to receive any more aircraft. The aircraft slated for Comair are instead going to Republic. Several aircraft currently at Comair are also redistributed amongst other Delta regionals. Guess what happened to our pay? Still frozen, because a deal’s a deal.
The deal was, if Delta didn’t award Comair the promised aircraft, then TWO YEAR LATER our pay freeze is unfrozen. But in the meantime Delta 1113’d the Comair ALPA and the contract was negated. We never got the planes or the pay.
No hard feelings, though. I’m sure Delta had no idea that they were weeks from BK when, in good faith, they signed the deal with Comair.
Fast forward several weeks. Delta files bankruptcy, and as a wholly-owned, Comair goes BK as well. Delta immediately notifies Comair that, due to Comair’s BK status, they will not be able to receive any more aircraft. The aircraft slated for Comair are instead going to Republic. Several aircraft currently at Comair are also redistributed amongst other Delta regionals. Guess what happened to our pay? Still frozen, because a deal’s a deal.
The deal was, if Delta didn’t award Comair the promised aircraft, then TWO YEAR LATER our pay freeze is unfrozen. But in the meantime Delta 1113’d the Comair ALPA and the contract was negated. We never got the planes or the pay.
No hard feelings, though. I’m sure Delta had no idea that they were weeks from BK when, in good faith, they signed the deal with Comair.
But but our management is different....
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01-31-2021, 10:16 AM
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Another thing... when I went to a roadshow and pointed out that two years was a long time to go without a raise, and that I didn’t trust Delta to deliver the planes on schedule, the MEC chair responded:
”ALPA legal has reviewed the language and it is iron-clad. And the company would never do that. They came to us with this deal. They have no incentive to break it.”
Our NC chair was an FO at Comair at the time. I hope he remembers the sting.
”ALPA legal has reviewed the language and it is iron-clad. And the company would never do that. They came to us with this deal. They have no incentive to break it.”
Our NC chair was an FO at Comair at the time. I hope he remembers the sting.
01-31-2021, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ted Striker
How about we get 50% of the revenue made from the scope carve outs in the form of a yearly bonus...think of it as a loan. We loan you the relief and we get paid for said loan.
Related to revenue shared...the escape clause for JetBlue to get out of this already signed deal, is page 6 here: (https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...astallianc.htm). It shows a redacted amount, but it is an ungodly sum of money. I won’t share it here, but try to find someone from the union or company to tell you how much it is.
But hey, 2% and a waiting room and selling our scope for 7-12 years. Yeah. Seems worth it.
01-31-2021, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by copy
Related to revenue shared...the escape clause for JetBlue to get out of this already signed deal, is page 6 here: (https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...astallianc.htm)...
Odd...No mention of a two-year wind-down.
So... in case of a conflict, which Jetblue contract takes precedence? The NEA with American, or LOA 13 with ALPA?
If I read this correctly, since Jetblue ALPA is not party to the NEA, then the MEC has no say in Jetblue exiting the deal in five years. Extrapolating this situation, if AA refuses to let Jetblue out of the deal, then I don’t see how ALPA can force the issue.
If JetBlue’s “escape clause” is, say, $50 million, then where does that money come from? Is there a judge out there that will force Jetblue to eat that cost because the MEC says “we haven’t hired enough pilots!” No, we’ll be stuck in the deal for another five years, and ALPA and management will be left figuring out how to smooth things over with the pilot group.
01-31-2021, 01:55 PM
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Oops, I found the wind-down language on the next page.
Does anyone see a discrepancy between the two contracts?
NEA contract...
5.11 Effect of Termination.
5.11.1 Upon termination, including pursuant to Section 3.4.3, each Party agrees to provide reasonable assistance to the other Party to wind down the NEA. The Agreement will be in effect during a wind-down period not to exceed 12 months but only for purposes of this Section 5.11.
Does anyone see a discrepancy between the two contracts?
NEA contract...
5.11 Effect of Termination.
5.11.1 Upon termination, including pursuant to Section 3.4.3, each Party agrees to provide reasonable assistance to the other Party to wind down the NEA. The Agreement will be in effect during a wind-down period not to exceed 12 months but only for purposes of this Section 5.11.
01-31-2021, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
Oops, I found the wind-down language on the next page.
Does anyone see a discrepancy between the two contracts?
NEA contract...
5.11 Effect of Termination.
5.11.1 Upon termination, including pursuant to Section 3.4.3, each Party agrees to provide reasonable assistance to the other Party to wind down the NEA. The Agreement will be in effect during a wind-down period not to exceed 12 months but only for purposes of this Section 5.11.
Does anyone see a discrepancy between the two contracts?
NEA contract...
5.11 Effect of Termination.
5.11.1 Upon termination, including pursuant to Section 3.4.3, each Party agrees to provide reasonable assistance to the other Party to wind down the NEA. The Agreement will be in effect during a wind-down period not to exceed 12 months but only for purposes of this Section 5.11.
01-31-2021, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
LOA is 24 months after five years, 12 after renewal.
01-31-2021, 04:05 PM
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Our scope chairman is really proud of the first sentence.
I think he must’ve missed the second one. Let me tell you right now which side an arbitrator is gonna pick when the company changes something and challenges us on this one.
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