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10-12-2016 | 03:42 PM
#1331
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It is a "raise" in our base pay... is it a "raise" in our total compensation, NO, but again the PS IS NOT apart of this vote... hopefully we have a strong negotiating team that has a long memory and will use this as just another example why we deserve more. By voting No, again what message does it send, the company obviously doesn't care which way we vote... they have their savings by reducing the PS. Seriously what message does turning down 8% actually do besides allowing the company save 8% on our pay for at least 2 years? Wow glad that message was sent, I'm sure the company will fear such a message, like how they fear our lanyards...
You guys vote however you want, but I hope you guys look at all the information at hand and look back how the company has changed things this past year.
Good Luck to all, we are going to need it.
10-12-2016 | 03:42 PM
#1332
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From: A320
10-12-2016 | 03:45 PM
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How would accepting a pay raise be used against us later? How would not accepting a pay raise help us later during mediation?
If you use say 2nd year and 3rd year FO pay rates, if say we do get a contract after 2 years, if you vote NO you are turning down close to $10,000. Again how is voting NO send a message to the company?
I know you won't change your mind, I'm just trying to understand, maybe I am missing something...
If you use say 2nd year and 3rd year FO pay rates, if say we do get a contract after 2 years, if you vote NO you are turning down close to $10,000. Again how is voting NO send a message to the company?
I know you won't change your mind, I'm just trying to understand, maybe I am missing something...
When we go into mediation, which is where this is going, the company can use our acceptance of their "raise" as an asset when dealing with the NMB. It makes it harder to be released to strike, if needed. Then when we try to embarrass jetblue by picketing, they send a press release illustrating their "goodwill" and the fact that even after accepting a pay raise, the pilots remain greedy for more.
Its a gameplan started before the union was even voted down years ago. These are professional UNION BUSTERS that they have hired. The company is using the playbook and has all the advantages.
10-12-2016 | 03:46 PM
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Yup it is, after having to deal with years of a "student council" I understand how things can be taken away. But I guess you have been burned before at other union carriers, but like I asked before, How does voting NO on the base pay increase, send a message and what message does it actually send? I guess you don't need or want $10,000 while we wait on a new contract.
10-12-2016 | 03:47 PM
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This is the dumbest f-ing logic I've read on this board....and there has been some really doozies here too....
Not falling for their mind games? Are you kidding me?
I couldn't give 2 sh1ts what the company thinks they're trying to do.
I have ZERO concern that our NC, MEC/LEC will continue to fight for industry leading pay, work rules, insurance, PS, etc etc and this increase in pay proposal will not decrease their resolve to get that leading CBA and as quickly as possible.
Do you really think somehow if we agree to this 8% pay increase that somehow that's going to delay our CBA or result in a lower overall end product?
*** is wrong with some of you guys.
Not falling for their mind games? Are you kidding me?
I couldn't give 2 sh1ts what the company thinks they're trying to do.
I have ZERO concern that our NC, MEC/LEC will continue to fight for industry leading pay, work rules, insurance, PS, etc etc and this increase in pay proposal will not decrease their resolve to get that leading CBA and as quickly as possible.
Do you really think somehow if we agree to this 8% pay increase that somehow that's going to delay our CBA or result in a lower overall end product?
*** is wrong with some of you guys.
10-12-2016 | 03:54 PM
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10-12-2016 | 03:56 PM
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10-12-2016 | 03:56 PM
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Yes vote here, I'm not voting on a TA. It won't change my stance today, I will still be expecting my 25+% raise and better work rules from where I am today. This has nothing to do with adding to the length of our negotiations... optimistically thinking spring of '18. Management knows they have to pay more or this ship will sink.
No pilot at JB in there right mind will vote on anything mediocre. We will get the contract we deserve and take the 8% along the way.
"Lanyard Strong".
Profit sharing is going away anyway.
No pilot at JB in there right mind will vote on anything mediocre. We will get the contract we deserve and take the 8% along the way.
"Lanyard Strong".
Profit sharing is going away anyway.
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