So giving the whole company the same raise across the board and across all labor groups, and offering the same to the pilot group is an attempt to undermine negotiations with one labor group? I just don't see it. I would view it as more antagonistic if they had excluded the pilot group from said offer. If nothing else, this gives some pilots enough extra pay to allow them to hold out for something better if we don't get industry standard initially, instead of settling for something less, but better than we have now. BL: I don't think we lose any negotiating capital by accepting this.

 

Exactly right. Easy yes vote on this.

 

It's not the same raise. Different for each work group. FAs are getting 17.5%

 

Who cares about FAs... 17% is like $4/HR for them.

Your 8% will go significantly further.
You're a pilot! Not a friggin basket mule.
They are not your peers. Neither is AO GO or tech ops.

 

Hey! It's cart donkey to you!

 

Did we get reassigned to 32 hours at the Holiday Inn Express out on I-75 in FLL?

 

Management is once again one step ahead of the jetblue pilot group. The same way the PEA drama would unfold, ELT would have the PEA chiseled in granite months before "the direct relationship discussions" were complete.

I think this will be a big part of what management has already planned in our first TA. There will be no back pay. Soon T-Rowe price will be replaced as our 401k planning and Empower Financial will take over. Once again likely massive cost savings for the company which will off-set the company provided/Alpa negotiated increased % of contribution to our 401k retirement plan.

The term of the decade? "Cost Nuetrality"

Is this a horribly negative thing for the pilot group? Nope. We all have jobs and it could be better, but it could be worse.

BTW, the first TA that we vote on is a guaranteed YES/PASS.

-Bubs

 

I think that management believes as you do, which is why I expect a substandard TA. Unlike you I feel like most guys have had it and it'll go down in flames. Informational picketing, strike vote and probable strike before we get what we deserve. There are blue juicers, but there aren't as many as people think.

 

Not about what we lose now- its about JB using this raise as a way to stall the negotiations later when the NMB is involved. Jetblue will look like a more generous company than they actually are.
Vote yes- enjoy the 500/month- just be aware of the playbook and get ready for more shenanigans. Its a part of CBA negotiations.

 

I hope your right P O G. Maybe the bluejuicers are just the loudest on this forum,but Im not as optimistic.