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12-12-2016 | 08:08 PM
#2141
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Absolutely, always enjoy trying to read between the lines on his emails. Not sure if you've been reading the latest SEC filings, but the one posted on 12/9 might provide some insight, or at least healthy grounds for speculation. On a side note, the 8-K from 12/12 indicates the growth is continuing and has increased compared to last year, and the recent insider selling is IMO low volume typical pre-holiday stuff while overall the company is still buying back shares.
12-12-2016 | 09:20 PM
#2142
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From: A220 CA
12-13-2016 | 05:43 AM
#2144
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Joined: Dec 2008
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From: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Condado seems to be a single queen? honestly never really payed too much attention.
12-13-2016 | 06:13 AM
#2145
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From: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Does anybody know how much our 2016 attrition was (or is - couple weeks to go till 2017 technically)?
Does the union have access to where on the seniority list this attrition is occurring? Anecdotally, it seems that most pilots just quit during new hire training or their first 2 years.
I have flown with captains that have repeatedly told me that their seniority barely moves while they grind away in the left seat. A couple have even said that they are considering bidding back to the right seat because they don't have a good enough QOL in the left.
I did some pretty deep probing and thinking before accepting the offer to come here and discussed the choice with people I know that have been working here for quite a while (2 years, 4.5 years, 6 years, 9 years). Despite what I thought was good mental preparation for the pay cut and move back to the right seat, everything still feels very underwhelming. I didn't get the chance to have that new exciting feeling when I started here and much of the day to day work experience so far reminds me of a previous employer from years ago albeit a little more money but actually less work rules; but at least the crews are more chipper and friendly.
I really do think other pilots here at jetBlue (in addition to myself) are also mulling over the prospects and opportunities available at other carriers and would like to know if anyone that has left jetBlue has regretted it or are happy they left?
I am very grateful for the opportunity to work here and can see why the younger pilots and those with a lighter sampling of experience would feel like they won the lottery. Hell, if it was 2008 all over again and the economy was tanking and nobody was hiring I'd feel like I was in gainful employment heaven. But the industry dynamic has changed quickly and I have a creeping feeling of being underemployed and that experience isn't really something that jetBlue cares about or wants to even pay us for.
Will our soon to be contract and prospects for growth make it worth staying versus leaving for a more lucrative employer? I have heard not to expect more than a 10 to 20% raise and semi decent work rules but am under the impression we'd need more like 40% raises and robust contractual protections to bring us up to our peers at other companies.
After reading what I have typed out I feel as if I am asking the million dollar question that only I can answer for myself for my own situation. Perhaps everyone else here will fine solace in the public reflection of it all.
Does the union have access to where on the seniority list this attrition is occurring? Anecdotally, it seems that most pilots just quit during new hire training or their first 2 years.
I have flown with captains that have repeatedly told me that their seniority barely moves while they grind away in the left seat. A couple have even said that they are considering bidding back to the right seat because they don't have a good enough QOL in the left.
I did some pretty deep probing and thinking before accepting the offer to come here and discussed the choice with people I know that have been working here for quite a while (2 years, 4.5 years, 6 years, 9 years). Despite what I thought was good mental preparation for the pay cut and move back to the right seat, everything still feels very underwhelming. I didn't get the chance to have that new exciting feeling when I started here and much of the day to day work experience so far reminds me of a previous employer from years ago albeit a little more money but actually less work rules; but at least the crews are more chipper and friendly.
I really do think other pilots here at jetBlue (in addition to myself) are also mulling over the prospects and opportunities available at other carriers and would like to know if anyone that has left jetBlue has regretted it or are happy they left?
I am very grateful for the opportunity to work here and can see why the younger pilots and those with a lighter sampling of experience would feel like they won the lottery. Hell, if it was 2008 all over again and the economy was tanking and nobody was hiring I'd feel like I was in gainful employment heaven. But the industry dynamic has changed quickly and I have a creeping feeling of being underemployed and that experience isn't really something that jetBlue cares about or wants to even pay us for.
Will our soon to be contract and prospects for growth make it worth staying versus leaving for a more lucrative employer? I have heard not to expect more than a 10 to 20% raise and semi decent work rules but am under the impression we'd need more like 40% raises and robust contractual protections to bring us up to our peers at other companies.
After reading what I have typed out I feel as if I am asking the million dollar question that only I can answer for myself for my own situation. Perhaps everyone else here will fine solace in the public reflection of it all.
You know what I would do if I were you.(saying this in a respectful way)
Fill out the apps of the places you want to go, get the job and decide at that point.
Public reflection is not going to help you make a personal decision. The good thing is you have a good job while you look for a better one. I don't know what other airlines are like but except for a CBA and international flying I doubt its very different. Same problems same crap. Every pilot from every airline has the same stories. Heck they made a YouTube video about it .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rNxz2hhSXuY
Anyway I think JetBlue has a great future and feel better with our new CEO but if you can go to the big 3 and you feel that fits you, go and don't look back. You know what they have and the retirement numbers there so they are far less of a gamble.
It's up to JetBlue to attract and retain and there is nothing wrong with pilots going after the money. Loyalty will buy you nothing.
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