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12-12-2016 | 11:04 AM
#2131
What’s it doing now?
Joined: Mar 2011
Posts: 726
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From: 190CA
I've got a double SJU in January, does anyone know of the intercontinental and condado give us two beds or just one king? And if we can request something specifically? Trying to take some people with me.
12-12-2016 | 02:41 PM
#2132
facing forward
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 290
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From: forward facing stick actuator
I had two beds in my room last trip to the intercontinental. I don't see why they wouldn't give you the two beds if available.
You could always call them before the trip and make a request.
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12-12-2016 | 03:30 PM
#2133
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 79
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Does anybody know how much our 2016 attrition was (or is - couple weeks to go till 2017 technically)?
Does the union have access to where on the seniority list this attrition is occurring? Anecdotally, it seems that most pilots just quit during new hire training or their first 2 years.
I have flown with captains that have repeatedly told me that their seniority barely moves while they grind away in the left seat. A couple have even said that they are considering bidding back to the right seat because they don't have a good enough QOL in the left.
I did some pretty deep probing and thinking before accepting the offer to come here and discussed the choice with people I know that have been working here for quite a while (2 years, 4.5 years, 6 years, 9 years). Despite what I thought was good mental preparation for the pay cut and move back to the right seat, everything still feels very underwhelming. I didn't get the chance to have that new exciting feeling when I started here and much of the day to day work experience so far reminds me of a previous employer from years ago albeit a little more money but actually less work rules; but at least the crews are more chipper and friendly.
I really do think other pilots here at jetBlue (in addition to myself) are also mulling over the prospects and opportunities available at other carriers and would like to know if anyone that has left jetBlue has regretted it or are happy they left?
I am very grateful for the opportunity to work here and can see why the younger pilots and those with a lighter sampling of experience would feel like they won the lottery. Hell, if it was 2008 all over again and the economy was tanking and nobody was hiring I'd feel like I was in gainful employment heaven. But the industry dynamic has changed quickly and I have a creeping feeling of being underemployed and that experience isn't really something that jetBlue cares about or wants to even pay us for.
Will our soon to be contract and prospects for growth make it worth staying versus leaving for a more lucrative employer? I have heard not to expect more than a 10 to 20% raise and semi decent work rules but am under the impression we'd need more like 40% raises and robust contractual protections to bring us up to our peers at other companies.
After reading what I have typed out I feel as if I am asking the million dollar question that only I can answer for myself for my own situation. Perhaps everyone else here will fine solace in the public reflection of it all.
Does the union have access to where on the seniority list this attrition is occurring? Anecdotally, it seems that most pilots just quit during new hire training or their first 2 years.
I have flown with captains that have repeatedly told me that their seniority barely moves while they grind away in the left seat. A couple have even said that they are considering bidding back to the right seat because they don't have a good enough QOL in the left.
I did some pretty deep probing and thinking before accepting the offer to come here and discussed the choice with people I know that have been working here for quite a while (2 years, 4.5 years, 6 years, 9 years). Despite what I thought was good mental preparation for the pay cut and move back to the right seat, everything still feels very underwhelming. I didn't get the chance to have that new exciting feeling when I started here and much of the day to day work experience so far reminds me of a previous employer from years ago albeit a little more money but actually less work rules; but at least the crews are more chipper and friendly.
I really do think other pilots here at jetBlue (in addition to myself) are also mulling over the prospects and opportunities available at other carriers and would like to know if anyone that has left jetBlue has regretted it or are happy they left?
I am very grateful for the opportunity to work here and can see why the younger pilots and those with a lighter sampling of experience would feel like they won the lottery. Hell, if it was 2008 all over again and the economy was tanking and nobody was hiring I'd feel like I was in gainful employment heaven. But the industry dynamic has changed quickly and I have a creeping feeling of being underemployed and that experience isn't really something that jetBlue cares about or wants to even pay us for.
Will our soon to be contract and prospects for growth make it worth staying versus leaving for a more lucrative employer? I have heard not to expect more than a 10 to 20% raise and semi decent work rules but am under the impression we'd need more like 40% raises and robust contractual protections to bring us up to our peers at other companies.
After reading what I have typed out I feel as if I am asking the million dollar question that only I can answer for myself for my own situation. Perhaps everyone else here will fine solace in the public reflection of it all.
12-12-2016 | 04:08 PM
#2135
Line Holder
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 918
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I did some pretty deep probing and thinking before accepting the offer to come here and discussed the choice with people I know that have been working here for quite a while (2 years, 4.5 years, 6 years, 9 years). Despite what I thought was good mental preparation for the pay cut and move back to the right seat, everything still feels very underwhelming. I didn't get the chance to have that new exciting feeling when I started here and much of the day to day work experience so far reminds me of a previous employer from years ago albeit a little more money but actually less work rules; but at least the crews are more chipper and friendly.
I really do think other pilots here at jetBlue (in addition to myself) are also mulling over the prospects and opportunities available at other carriers and would like to know if anyone that has left jetBlue has regretted it or are happy they left?
I am very grateful for the opportunity to work here and can see why the younger pilots and those with a lighter sampling of experience would feel like they won the lottery. Hell, if it was 2008 all over again and the economy was tanking and nobody was hiring I'd feel like I was in gainful employment heaven.
Attrition is up, mostly guys with 3 yrs or less on property. Most guys from my new hire class still have apps out and are still actively looking to go somewhere else.
12-12-2016 | 04:15 PM
#2136
SDQ Base Chief
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 6,051
Likes: 33
From: 320 CA
About 100 people left in 2016, and most were in the 1-3yr range. Our retirements are minimal compared to the legacies (check the seniority calculator on hellojetblue for a more accurate picture).
If you have to really ask if this is the right place for you, then it probably isn't. And I don't mean that in a negative way at all.
If you have to really ask if this is the right place for you, then it probably isn't. And I don't mean that in a negative way at all.
12-12-2016 | 04:57 PM
#2138
Line Holder
Joined: Jun 2015
Posts: 79
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I live in base, I'd be commuting anywhere else, and I've got 3 years under my belt, so I'm staying. I don't think the MEC will send out anything sub-par and I don't think this group will accept anything less than industry standard. There will be plenty of naysayers coming on here talking about blue juicers and the like. Bottom line is the vast majority of us know our worth and won't accept less. We're only one piece of the puzzle, though. The company has to want good relations also. They're walking a fine line, really. They need to give us enough grief so that other groups don't unionize. By they don't want to give us so much that other groups notice and give sympathy. They want to maintain that image that they value their employees while making it just tough enough on us so that it keeps the other groups in line.
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