Bilbo T Baggins

Does the Sept bid usually have a lot of movement? curious what other info is available for the bid...

Flyby1206

Usually has some decent movement. Senior guys don't want to swap seats and lose their Thanksgiving/Christmas vacations.

Bozo the pilot

Please Rascal- go easy on the juicers who still consider Jetblew a real "major".

CaptCoolHand

Rascal I get what you're trying to say, but you're incorrect here. Everywhere has short comings. Even SWA has a swpf or wherever it's called. And in my experience it was highly inadequate.

Best friend of mine had his wife go through cancer SWA. With three kids he ate through sick luv and vacations in about 8 months trying to keep it together. SWPF did nothing for him as he was not the one who was sick. He was ready to dive into his 401. Long story short I started up a go find me and we raised a huge amount of money in a very short time. His retirement is intact and she is 100% now.

Even after we get the CBA. We need to look out for each other.
Life happens.

cmesoar

Good post and this is good information. There are some on here that just feel the need to be negative in everything they say. They obviously do not have all the facts. A CBA is important but we must continue to take care of each other.

atrdriver

Maybe people are negative with most of what they say because that paints an accurate picture of the current situation? There's no need to white wash the ugly truth around here. And just because someone else has it bad with income protections (SWA apparently?) doesn't make it ok here. Please don't try to rationalize away Rascal's valid point.

Std Deviation

Totally get it and contribute. However, I consider that 401K to be part of the individual's assets. IMO the BPF should be an avenue of last resort after hitting the 401. I've raided mine and not asked for help when my family was sick. Likely have people with hundreds of thousands in 401K funds and they're asking for assistance to the tune of what? Thousands? I'm not in agreement with that. To me, you should have exhausted all other resources- including selling things - before asking others. Again, just the way I was raised. You don't roll up in an Escalade asking for a free turkey at Thanksgiving. I've seen too many cases of Go Fund me accounts only to see Facebook pics at Disneyland 2 weeks later. Really? To be clear I'm not saying that's the case in your example at all, but retirement should be on the table. Life happens as you say and that requires difficult and uncomfortable financial measures.

CaptCoolHand

the BPF wants to punch you in the face if you wait that long to ask for help. I know I'm the same way and have been told as such. I can help myself I don't need help, we'll figure it out, I can make it work.... yadda. the BPF is there to help. Not when you get knocked down. But when you get dropkicked from the top rope, double teamed, then hit with a chair.

before you get hauled off on the stretcher call the bpf... It's not for the douche who says, "well I didn't think first year pay was that bad"... It's always the we were fine "and then"... 'and then"...

We're all proud, but if you find yourself in that situation. You've sold the car, the boat, double triple mortgaged the house, hoping that jb doesn't mess up your paycheck because you wont be able to put food in your kids mouth and you need to do what needs to be done. Please. call.

The701Express

I don't think you're criticizing the BPF, but just to make it clear, they require an applicant to have committed pretty much all available resources before making an award.

I was fortunate enough to fly with a captain who was a BPF board member and learned a lot about the program and how the process works. I urge you to talk with anyone involved with the BPF and learn about how our contributions are handled.

No one is to my knowledge getting a BPF award while still driving around in a Ferrari or vacationing on the yacht, or even letting their 401k or PTO bank go untouched.

Its also up to us members to ensure we elect responsible board members who will award money fairly and allow for proper oversight of the system.

Std Deviation

Not attacking the BPF in any way. I donated 2 times my requirement as a first year new hire. Up it every year. I do appreciate the email a few months ago stating "life style induced" situations are ineligible.