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Old 09-04-2017, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Rabid Seagull View Post
Permission to Push - please explain.

I know I don't see the big picture, maybe some of you do? This new procedure will reduce "half of all delays related to weight and balance".

When was the last time you took a #$%^ing delay due to W&B? If the Co actually thinks on time performance will improve with this system, I'm more worried about the folks running/ ruining this company.

Shed some light, please.
Zero in almost three years. Now, "waiting for parts" that never showed? Lots. How will this new procedure fix that? But don't worry, just slap the flaps into any takeoff setting and roll. That's a bad precedent that normalizes deviance and can actually induce a flap error. Brilliant human factors.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:12 AM
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Agree. Very bad idea to just grab any old flap setting. This will reduce departure delays to some degree by allowing us to drop the brake before we receive our numbers because of the time it takes to check and input the numbers, followed by the remaining checklist. Now we drop the brake and push, and do all that other time consuming stuff while moving an aircraft around critically busy airports with one pilots head down.

I do not support this change.

My opinion only.
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Old 09-04-2017, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Agree. Very bad idea to just grab any old flap setting. This will reduce departure delays to some degree by allowing us to drop the brake before we receive our numbers because of the time it takes to check and input the numbers, followed by the remaining checklist. Now we drop the brake and push, and do all that other time consuming stuff while moving an aircraft around critically busy airports with one pilots head down.

I do not support this change.

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I can input the numbers, check them, and complete the below the line in less than 60 seconds. So what are we saving really? Now I'm heads down leaving the CA as the only set of eyes on a congested ramp? Personally, I've never felt the "pressure" pre-push that's being described. We now have FAs pressing the emergency call - because that's how they're told to communicate because of the new chime procedure - to tell us it's hot in the back during the push.
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Old 09-04-2017, 12:37 PM
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https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/air-berlin-cancel-flights-from-txl/

Good news! Growth! We now codeshare with an airline that doesn't fly to ANY of our hubs 😂. Can't make this stuff up. The level of incompetence at this place is mind boggling.
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Old 09-04-2017, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/09/air-berlin-cancel-flights-from-txl/

Good news! Growth! We now codeshare with an airline that doesn't fly to ANY of our hubs 😂. Can't make this stuff up. The level of incompetence at this place is mind boggling.
When a codeshare partner goes BK and quits most of their longhaul flying, it's not mind boggling. Well, maybe to you.
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Old 09-04-2017, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Agree. Very bad idea to just grab any old flap setting. This will reduce departure delays to some degree by allowing us to drop the brake before we receive our numbers because of the time it takes to check and input the numbers, followed by the remaining checklist. Now we drop the brake and push, and do all that other time consuming stuff while moving an aircraft around critically busy airports with one pilots head down.

I do not support this change.

My opinion only.
Who is coming up with all of these new procedures? Is any of it being driven by actual line-employee feedback or observations?

Never encountered a delay bc of W&B, unless it was caused by dispatch or AO totally effing up the paperwork/closeout.

Most of the recent D0/OTP issues I've encountered have been due to the new inflight verification procedure--the FAs seem to be taking way longer to do that vs. the older procedure. Has anyone else found themselves waiting for that buzz every leg?

They change things so often that no one ever becomes proficient with what we're doing--humans aren't iPads you can't just push updates to them like a neurotic software engineer. I hope someone somewhere understands that.

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Old 09-04-2017, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Softpayman View Post
When a codeshare partner goes BK and quits most of their longhaul flying, it's not mind boggling. Well, maybe to you.
What about when we ink the codeshare deal the day before they go tango uniform? Hey, what other failing airlines can we sign a deal with??
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Old 09-05-2017, 06:35 AM
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So now that Labor Day is over... any guesses on the system bid?

Comes out last minute on the 7th with 10 upgrades company wide is my guess.
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Old 09-05-2017, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
Agree. Very bad idea to just grab any old flap setting. This will reduce departure delays to some degree by allowing us to drop the brake before we receive our numbers because of the time it takes to check and input the numbers, followed by the remaining checklist. Now we drop the brake and push, and do all that other time consuming stuff while moving an aircraft around critically busy airports with one pilots head down.

I do not support this change.

My opinion only.
You are forgetting our number 1 value is $avety. Doing things like hiring enough people, or increasing spares or turn times cost money. This just costs safety so its free! And best of all if the if you stall on takeoff and plow into a highway due to incorrect flaps it will be covered by insurance and it won't be their fault! It will be all you!
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:40 AM
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System bid is out. A320 CAs:
JFK:25
BOS:10
LGB:1
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