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05-16-2017, 05:47 AM
#3501
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: FO
Posts: 302
I agree with what you all are saying in that this was a fake raise. It was not an 8% increase in pay. However I have to add a fact you all are not mentioning. We were put in a position of no choice... If we did not take the 8% we were going to lose the 5% PS anyway. Remember? So instead of a cost of living increase, it would have been a hard pay cut. Sweet Jesus, lets just get unified and get this CBA done. I read this thread and it sometimes appears we are on different teams here. I believe things will be better after a CBA is in place. Life will be better here once management can't change whatever they want via an email. Until then, I will continue to volunteer and help where I can with the union effort. I will also come to work with a good attitude and treat our customers with respect. I want them to come back and fly JB. After all, JB pays my paycheck and I want the company to succeed just as much as I want a CBA.
05-16-2017, 05:51 AM
#3502
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 992
I agree with what you all are saying in that this was a fake raise. It was not an 8% increase in pay. However I have to add a fact you all are not mentioning. We were put in a position of no choice... If we did not take the 8% we were going to lose the 5% PS anyway. Remember? So instead of a cost of living increase, it would have been a hard pay cut. Sweet Jesus, lets just get unified and get this CBA done. I read this thread and it sometimes appears we are on different teams here. I believe things will be better after a CBA is in place. Life will be better here once management can't change whatever they want via an email. Until then, I will continue to volunteer and help where I can with the union effort. I will also come to work with a good attitude and treat our customers with respect. I want them to come back and fly JB. After all, JB pays my paycheck and I want the company to succeed just as much as I want a CBA.
The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
05-16-2017, 06:10 AM
#3503
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,920
No one is arguing the fact that we needed to vote "yes" on the pay raise....to do otherwise would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces......
The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
Exactly right
05-16-2017, 06:37 AM
#3504
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
No one is arguing the fact that we needed to vote "yes" on the pay raise....to do otherwise would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces......
The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
The vote was nothing but a show....
05-16-2017, 08:23 AM
#3505
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: Captain
Posts: 52
This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).
The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.
We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?
We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
05-16-2017, 08:33 AM
#3506
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Glad you said this.
This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).
The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.
We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?
We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).
The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.
We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?
We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
Too many guys afraid to rock the boat.
For all of them- Yes I know its not the worst place to work and its better than a regional- Okay? Does that statement now allow us to continue with the facts?
05-16-2017, 09:08 AM
#3507
Not A Janitor
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 814
Glad you said this.
This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).
The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.
We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?
We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).
The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.
We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?
We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
All true, but the apologists for B6 cant help but punch holes in any complaint presented on the forum. Too many "yea but" guys here.
Too many guys afraid to rock the boat.
For all of them- Yes I know its not the worst place to work and its better than a regional- Okay? Does that statement now allow us to continue with the facts?
Too many guys afraid to rock the boat.
For all of them- Yes I know its not the worst place to work and its better than a regional- Okay? Does that statement now allow us to continue with the facts?
"Better than a regional" (but only in certain categories depending on the regional)... hell of a standard for a major airline pilot. It would be interesting to see a contract comparison guide addendum that highlights items that are superior to ours at companies considered to be below our peer set (e.g., regionals, Allegiant, Spirit, etc). Wouldn't THAT be an eye opener! Even the juiciest of guys here might start to take note.
05-16-2017, 10:23 AM
#3508
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,908
Both solid posts.
"Better than a regional" (but only in certain categories depending on the regional)... hell of a standard for a major airline pilot. It would be interesting to see a contract comparison guide addendum that highlights items that are superior to ours at companies considered to be below our peer set (e.g., regionals, Allegiant, Spirit, etc). Wouldn't THAT be an eye opener! Even the juiciest of guys here might start to take note.
"Better than a regional" (but only in certain categories depending on the regional)... hell of a standard for a major airline pilot. It would be interesting to see a contract comparison guide addendum that highlights items that are superior to ours at companies considered to be below our peer set (e.g., regionals, Allegiant, Spirit, etc). Wouldn't THAT be an eye opener! Even the juiciest of guys here might start to take note.
05-16-2017, 11:10 AM
#3509
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,920
You will all agree with me on EVERYTHING other wise you are a juicer and just stupid. Only you are right bluedriver which must be nice.
05-16-2017, 11:16 AM
#3510
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,908
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