Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > JetBlue
JetBlue Latest and Greatest >

JetBlue Latest and Greatest

Notices

JetBlue Latest and Greatest

Old 05-16-2017, 06:47 AM
  #3501  
Gets Weekends Off
 
cmesoar's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: FO
Posts: 302
Default

Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
Correct
There was no real raise.
They just took something that we would have to negotiate back for.
A land grab.
I agree with what you all are saying in that this was a fake raise. It was not an 8% increase in pay. However I have to add a fact you all are not mentioning. We were put in a position of no choice... If we did not take the 8% we were going to lose the 5% PS anyway. Remember? So instead of a cost of living increase, it would have been a hard pay cut. Sweet Jesus, lets just get unified and get this CBA done. I read this thread and it sometimes appears we are on different teams here. I believe things will be better after a CBA is in place. Life will be better here once management can't change whatever they want via an email. Until then, I will continue to volunteer and help where I can with the union effort. I will also come to work with a good attitude and treat our customers with respect. I want them to come back and fly JB. After all, JB pays my paycheck and I want the company to succeed just as much as I want a CBA.
cmesoar is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 06:51 AM
  #3502  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 988
Default

Originally Posted by cmesoar View Post
I agree with what you all are saying in that this was a fake raise. It was not an 8% increase in pay. However I have to add a fact you all are not mentioning. We were put in a position of no choice... If we did not take the 8% we were going to lose the 5% PS anyway. Remember? So instead of a cost of living increase, it would have been a hard pay cut. Sweet Jesus, lets just get unified and get this CBA done. I read this thread and it sometimes appears we are on different teams here. I believe things will be better after a CBA is in place. Life will be better here once management can't change whatever they want via an email. Until then, I will continue to volunteer and help where I can with the union effort. I will also come to work with a good attitude and treat our customers with respect. I want them to come back and fly JB. After all, JB pays my paycheck and I want the company to succeed just as much as I want a CBA.
No one is arguing the fact that we needed to vote "yes" on the pay raise....to do otherwise would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces......

The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
BunkerF16 is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 07:10 AM
  #3503  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,899
Default

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
No one is arguing the fact that we needed to vote "yes" on the pay raise....to do otherwise would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces......

The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.

Exactly right
pilotpayne is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 07:37 AM
  #3504  
Gets Weekends Off
 
CaptCoolHand's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Left,Right, Left, Right,Right,Left, Right, Left
Posts: 3,150
Default

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
No one is arguing the fact that we needed to vote "yes" on the pay raise....to do otherwise would be cutting our noses off to spite our faces......

The problem is when pilots come in here and spout out about how we got an 8% raise...which is categorically false and speaks either to the ignorance of the person, or agenda they're trying to espouse.
This!

The vote was nothing but a show....
CaptCoolHand is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 09:23 AM
  #3505  
Line Holder
 
uptpilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2011
Position: Captain
Posts: 52
Exclamation

Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
I don't care what Delta's policy is with regards to signing in. Theirs is retarded too.
Glad you said this.

This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).

The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.

We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?

We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
uptpilot is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 09:33 AM
  #3506  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Bozo the pilot's Avatar
 
Joined APC: May 2013
Posts: 2,594
Default

Originally Posted by uptpilot View Post
Glad you said this.

This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).

The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.

We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?

We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
All true, but the apologists for B6 cant help but punch holes in any complaint presented on the forum. Too many "yea but" guys here.
Too many guys afraid to rock the boat.
For all of them- Yes I know its not the worst place to work and its better than a regional- Okay? Does that statement now allow us to continue with the facts?
Bozo the pilot is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 10:08 AM
  #3507  
Not A Janitor
 
Joined APC: Aug 2008
Posts: 814
Default

Originally Posted by uptpilot View Post
Glad you said this.

This is a fundamental idea that pilots need to get used to. For far too long, pilots have been beaten down by cleaning honeypots on small planes or flying long hours at low pay in the regionals. Most pilots' basis for comparison is a low standard. Therefore, when they dangle a rotten carrot in front of us, we trip over our own drool. This is wrong. We need to compare ourselves to others in equivalent professions such as scientists, engineers, medical practitioners, nuclear plant operators, and so on. I don't mind the online check-in provided we can audit the software for abusive capabilities (persistent monitoring).

The race to the bottom begins when we simply compare ourselves to competitors like Delta. I don't want to be Delta. I want a workplace that is BETTER than everyone else. We cannot do this by following the worst practices of competitors then saying that we're better because we're only marginally better.

We need to expect more of our employer. How about better reserve rules. How about more help with commuting. Doesn't one of the regionals now get you hotel rooms if you have to come in the day prior?

We need to convince our management to stop licking the boots of shareholders and banksters. We don't work for banksters or people who do no real work (stock traders). This whole of idea of the company and its employees existing to serve the shareholder under some kind of fiduciary duty is plain myth. The lawful requirement is not there. It's simply an attitude. The CEO has a legal duty to help the company and by helping employees by pay and good rules, it helps the company. This needs to be our narrative.
Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
All true, but the apologists for B6 cant help but punch holes in any complaint presented on the forum. Too many "yea but" guys here.
Too many guys afraid to rock the boat.
For all of them- Yes I know its not the worst place to work and its better than a regional- Okay? Does that statement now allow us to continue with the facts?
Both solid posts.

"Better than a regional" (but only in certain categories depending on the regional)... hell of a standard for a major airline pilot. It would be interesting to see a contract comparison guide addendum that highlights items that are superior to ours at companies considered to be below our peer set (e.g., regionals, Allegiant, Spirit, etc). Wouldn't THAT be an eye opener! Even the juiciest of guys here might start to take note.
atrdriver is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 11:23 AM
  #3508  
The REAL Bluedriver
 
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,856
Default

Originally Posted by atrdriver View Post
Both solid posts.

"Better than a regional" (but only in certain categories depending on the regional)... hell of a standard for a major airline pilot. It would be interesting to see a contract comparison guide addendum that highlights items that are superior to ours at companies considered to be below our peer set (e.g., regionals, Allegiant, Spirit, etc). Wouldn't THAT be an eye opener! Even the juiciest of guys here might start to take note.
You guys are just being negative. You're not respecting the juicers "opinion".
Bluedriver is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 12:10 PM
  #3509  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 190 captain and “Pro-pilot”
Posts: 2,899
Default

Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
You guys are just being negative. You're not respecting the juicers "opinion".
Yes yes we don't want people with different opinions.
You will all agree with me on EVERYTHING other wise you are a juicer and just stupid. Only you are right bluedriver which must be nice.
pilotpayne is offline  
Old 05-16-2017, 12:16 PM
  #3510  
The REAL Bluedriver
 
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,856
Default

Originally Posted by pilotpayne View Post
Yes yes we don't want people with different opinions.
Opinions based on culture and hope? And completely devoid of any objective facts or comparison with our actual peers?

No thanks.
Bluedriver is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Zoomie
Major
36
01-28-2015 12:44 PM
iahflyr
Major
27
09-30-2014 10:04 AM
Mason32
Regional
270
07-27-2010 07:01 PM
Scott34567
Regional
39
05-29-2008 08:08 PM
Sir James
Major
0
07-29-2005 08:02 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices