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Old 05-15-2017, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot View Post
HB- Im not trying to get on you, but your post is all over the place.
The biggest problem with your pov in general, is your constant praise of B6, while claiming to volunteer for ALPA. Anyone who sees why ALPA is here, would also see the frustration within the pilot group- This seems to escape you. Guys ARE going to leave, and its more than a few.

Its lovely to be positive, but you have claimed, on numerous occasions, that it keeps getting better here.
When Atr or I, or anyone say truthful but negative things, the facts are indisputable.
1. Healthcare has been gutted
2. Reserve rules are regional-like
3. FSM changed at the whim of management
4. Poor vacation system
5. Pay is 20-30% behind (I know guys, its more)
6. 3 day trips worth 10 hrs.
7. Enough redeyes to **** off even a freight dog

It is NOT getting better- Why do you insist on brushing over the problems here?
It is not a terrible place to work, but be honest to prospective candidates and empathize with those of us that are fed up.
B6 is NOT a destination airline.
It may become one, but B6 is too cheap to ever be on par with a legacy
contract.
Now, can you finally answer the question that has been leveled
to you by everyone?
How is it presently getting better?
No harm meant by this HB, but cut the pro company BS and at least act like you are apart of B6 reality.
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I agree with all of this. I believe in the group of ALPA volunteers and the work they are doing. I go to the meetings, I read the emails including committee updates. This why I ask many how they can't see it's getting better?

I see the progress in so many area that many choose not to look or acknowledge. The MEC and the negotiating committee are busting their butts to take advantage of any opportunity and to be prepared should any present themselves. Sure we cannot see the work the(negotiating committee) they are doing and it will be in the form of a CBA. You gotta love the team all good dudes and highly qualified!

Getting Better...
plenty of grievances and clarifications of FSM language that will help the pilots QOL and wallet. Including ATRdrivers Contract above all roller board handles

We got a raise during negotiations and although it's not the final one for sure its' more than we had last year.

ALPA Reps doing outstanding work on behalf of the pilots

Plenty of ALPA Committees doing outstanding work on all fronts. Read the updates and tell me I'm wrong...

Vets in Blue initiatives

We Jetblue ALPA Pilots are involved and helping our fellow brethren in almost every facet of our jobs to make a positive difference.

The Final will be a CBA which will be BETTER and not worse than were we stand today......
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Old 05-15-2017, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy View Post
I agree with all of this. I believe in the group of ALPA volunteers and the work they are doing. I go to the meetings, I read the emails including committee updates. This why I ask many how they can't see it's getting better?

I see the progress in so many area that many choose not to look or acknowledge. The MEC and the negotiating committee are busting their butts to take advantage of any opportunity and to be prepared should any present themselves. Sure we cannot see the work the(negotiating committee) they are doing and it will be in the form of a CBA. You gotta love the team all good dudes and highly qualified!

Getting Better...
plenty of grievances and clarifications of FSM language that will help the pilots QOL and wallet. Including ATRdrivers Contract above all roller board handles

We got a raise during negotiations and although it's not the final one for sure its' more than we had last year.

ALPA Reps doing outstanding work on behalf of the pilots

Plenty of ALPA Committees doing outstanding work on all fronts. Read the updates and tell me I'm wrong...

Vets in Blue initiatives

We Jetblue ALPA Pilots are involved and helping our fellow brethren in almost every facet of our jobs to make a positive difference.

The Final will be a CBA which will be BETTER and not worse than were we stand today......
I agree with much of this with 2 points of order.

1. We didn't get a raise. 8% increase with corresponding 5% decrease in PS will result in barely a COLA adjustment. Don't toe the company line on this one......

2. Our CBA can't just be better than where we stand today...it needs to be as good and/or better than our contemporaries or it will get voted down. Period. Oh, and our peers (for compensation/CBA comparison) are Delta, United, AA and SWA, NOT Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant.

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Old 05-15-2017, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
I agree with much of this with 2 points of order.

1. We didn't get a raise. 8% increase with corresponding 5% decrease in PS will result in barely a COLA adjustment. Don't tow the company line on this one......

2. Our CBA can't just be better than where we stand today...it needs to be as good and/or better than our contemporaries or it will get voted down. Period. Oh, and our peers (for compensation/CBA comparison) are Delta, United, AA and SWA, NOT Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant.
Agreed with this completely. I think the company knows this too. Or at least hope they do
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BunkerF16 View Post
I agree with much of this with 2 points of order.

1. We didn't get a raise. 8% increase with corresponding 5% decrease in PS will result in barely a COLA adjustment. Don't toe the company line on this one......

2. Our CBA can't just be better than where we stand today...it needs to be as good and/or better than our contemporaries or it will get voted down. Period. Oh, and our peers (for compensation/CBA comparison) are Delta, United, AA and SWA, NOT Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant.
I just hope that if we do get a turd sent to a vote, that there are enough people at the company with a backbone to vote it down. Not saying that the NC would send a turd to a vote.
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
I just hope that if we do get a turd sent to a vote, that there are enough people at the company with a backbone to vote it down. Not saying that the NC would send a turd to a vote.
Your last statement is what gives me confidence that we'll never have to worry about the first part. They'll never let a turd get to the MEC. And the MEC will never let a turd get to the general pilot group. While I don't think they'd need to save us from ourselves, I'm comfortable knowing they will/are going to do just that.
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Old 05-15-2017, 01:05 PM
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If any if you speak with a P2P rep (make sure they're someone who actually listens to the calls) you should get the message that the MEC, "WILL NOT ACCEPT BELOW MARKET RATE." We as a pilot group have made this clear as our goal, and that is what the MEC and NC are working towards.


On a separate note, we are deficient in many areas that need significant improvement, but the Cadillac provisions we do have don't seem to be acknowledged.

Examples:

1: Delta also has a check in policy. They actually have to be in their crew room, 1 hr prior to departure, and use a computer to check-in. We were very far removed from market conditions (in our favor) with just being allowed to show up at the gate. JetCrew is still a much more convenient tool than having to show up and sign into a computer like Delta.

2: Our reserve rules are very strong once you've been assigned a trip. Our reserve assignment process is garbage, but once you're assigned a trip you're treated like a line holder. At Delta, on reserve they can do whatever they want with you. If you're called out for an IROP and then it cancels, you're back on reserve that day for another trip. Here, you're done for the day.
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Old 05-15-2017, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cloud5urfer View Post
If any if you speak with a P2P rep (make sure they're someone who actually listens to the calls) you should get the message that the MEC, "WILL NOT ACCEPT BELOW MARKET RATE." We as a pilot group have made this clear as our goal, and that is what the MEC and NC are working towards.


On a separate note, we are deficient in many areas that need significant improvement, but the Cadillac provisions we do have don't seem to be acknowledged.

Examples:

1: Delta also has a check in policy. They actually have to be in their crew room, 1 hr prior to departure, and use a computer to check-in. We were very far removed from market conditions (in our favor) with just being allowed to show up at the gate. JetCrew is still a much more convenient tool than having to show up and sign into a computer like Delta.

2: Our reserve rules are very strong once you've been assigned a trip. Our reserve assignment process is garbage, but once you're assigned a trip you're treated like a line holder. At Delta, on reserve they can do whatever they want with you. If you're called out for an IROP and then it cancels, you're back on reserve that day for another trip. Here, you're done for the day.
At Mesa we just showed up at the gate. It wasn't an issue. Big boy rules for airline professionals. Electronic check in will absolutely not change a thing for flight delays. By the time they realize you aren't checked in (with the 10 minute buffer), go through the process of calling and locating you, it is no different than the old policy of just showing up. I don't care what Delta's policy is with regards to signing in. Theirs is retarded too. I've never in my career seen a plane late due to a crewmember being late, and in the rare event it happens, the check in policy wouldn't have prevented or mitigated it. One time at Mesa I showed up to the airport, realized my ID was at my house, called crew scheduling, told them I was there but had to run back to my house and to let the CA know I'd be there 10-15 prior to push. They said thanks for the heads up, I showed up, we pushed early. No late on my record, no harm, no foul. No call from the chief pilot, no email, no carpet dance. Mesa, of all places, has this check in and big boy rules down better than JetBlue.
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Old 05-15-2017, 03:00 PM
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If you're called out for an IROP and then it cancels, you're back on reserve that day for another trip. Here, you're done for the day.
We have a shuttle in Kew!
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Old 05-15-2017, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
We have a shuttle in Kew!
so theres that as well- Im never leaving Blue- so much better than Delta
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Old 05-15-2017, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueJetDork View Post
We have a shuttle in Kew!
And it's bigger than Delta's puny van too! Bigger is better right?
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