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Old 05-14-2017, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
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Can't make this up... biggest company man on the boards comes and posts corporate comm-written propaganda. Thanks for the laugh.
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Old 05-14-2017, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
It's been $2000/month for awhile now. Shouldn't really be a surprise.
Hard to find out that sort of info without asking around on boards like these.

In fact, a lot of $hitty things are a surprise when you come to JB unless you get some insight from current pilots on boards like these.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:27 AM
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Just checked my offer letter from a while back. It says training pay is $28.57 per hour and $26 a day in "lodge dollars." That's $28.57 at your lineholder hourly min guarantee of 70 hours a month, because while you're in initial apparently you only work 70 hours a month. Ridiculous! Way to show the caring value and make pilots appreciate their new job. That's a good way to keep quality applicants away who can't afford that measly pay. My paychecks were laughable.

Training pay needs to be first year hourly rate at reserve min guarantee of 75 hours ($4,050/month), plus normal per diem ($1,400/month), not lodge bucks. Or if they are gonna do $26 a day per diem instead of real per diem, make it $26 USD not $26 use or lose lodge currency. Of course, newhires shouldn't be at the lodge in the first place and should get the standard $2/hr real per diem, but that's a different topic.
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:45 AM
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Of all my friends who have started at JB in the last year or so, the only 1 that has an intention of staying there lives in Maine. Everyone else is probably working on updating apps right now.
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
It's been $2000/month for awhile now. Shouldn't really be a surprise.
It's $2000 a month for over 2 years now except they send you an offer letter saying $2500 per month.

Then, on your first day of training, you are told: "oh, by the way, it's $2000 per month and if you don't like it, well, there's the door" ... that's your first experience with the JetBlue way.

(Dunno if they're still doing that).
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
Just checked my offer letter from a while back. It says training pay is $28.57 per hour and $26 a day in "lodge dollars." That's $28.57 at your lineholder hourly min guarantee of 70 hours a month, because while you're in initial apparently you only work 70 hours a month. Ridiculous! Way to show the caring value and make pilots appreciate their new job. That's a good way to keep quality applicants away who can't afford that measly pay. My paychecks were laughable.

Training pay needs to be first year hourly rate at reserve min guarantee of 75 hours ($4,050/month), plus normal per diem ($1,400/month), not lodge bucks. Or if they are gonna do $26 a day per diem instead of real per diem, make it $26 USD not $26 use or lose lodge currency. Of course, newhires shouldn't be at the lodge in the first place and should get the standard $2/hr real per diem, but that's a different topic.
lolol- "Lodge dollars" Sounds like Monopoly or Disney money. Welcome to jetBlue
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Old 05-14-2017, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BuckeyeFO
Of all my friends who have started at JB in the last year or so, the only 1 that has an intention of staying there lives in Maine. Everyone else is probably working on updating apps right now.
So true- New England guys are lovin life, but most others are packing their parachutes.
Any commuting FO whos less than 50yo and less than 50% has to be exploring options.
Btw, any Capts out there looking to bail? Just curious.
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Can't make this up... biggest company man on the boards comes and posts corporate comm-written propaganda. Thanks for the laugh.
You are wrong ! You fail to look and read my posts. I am supporting an ALPA contract and the work that it requires. I have opinions that may differ from yours that does not make me a company man. I enjoy going to work and have fun at my job but know that we deserve much better.

You talk about how good your regional was and that it was possibly better than JetBlue. That makes you lose your credibility. There is not one regional out there better than JB. Also to add you your insight if your assessment was in fact true tell me one person that left here for a regional. Apples and Oranges. You also live in base probably? Bet the fram on never having to commute? you talk a good talk you are not going to go anywhere and you know it. So why would you not try to make this better and join a committee and not just APC?

How many times did you have to interview too get this job? Man you must have really wanted to come here all less than a year ago..to this $hit show. and to be so bitter... I wonder what your seniority list number would have been had you been hired if there was more than one time? Bitterness?

I do help with the Veterans Initiatives here at JetBlue to help hire Veterans when the rest of the US seems to turn the other cheek after serving their country. Have ever been to a VIB event? Yes or NO? I am very proud of those initiatives and if that makes me a company guy then...Guilty. That is one of the best programs at JetBlue. Period!

Lastly you blast me constantly as a company guy and a juicer yet I am trying to help by volunteering an ALPA committee, and serve this pilot group. And you ignore questions that I have asked you..plenty of them?

If your posts are suppose to be your way that you help this pilot group then I guess we will reap what we sow?.....

End of the day you get slammed and assassinated unless are negative and not positive......

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Old 05-14-2017, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperboy
You are wrong ! You fail to look and read my posts. I am supporting an ALPA contract and the work that it requires. I have opinions that may differ from yours that does not make me a company man. I enjoy going to work and have fun at my job but know that we deserve much better.

You talk about how good your regional was and that it was possibly better than JetBlue. That makes you lose your credibility. There is not one regional out there better than JB. Also to add you your insight if your assessment was in fact true tell me one person that left here for a regional. Apples and Oranges. You also live in base probably? Bet the fram on never having to commute? you talk a good talk you are not going to go anywhere and you know it. So why would you not try to make this better and join a committee and not just APC?

How many times did you have to interview too get this job? Man you must have really wanted to come here all less than a year ago..to this $hit show. and to be so bitter... I wonder what your seniority list number would have been had you been hired if there was more than one time? Bitterness?

I do help with the Veterans Initiatives here at JetBlue to help hire Veterans when the rest of the US seems to turn the other cheek after serving their country. Have ever been to a VIB event? Yes or NO? I am very proud of those initiatives and if that makes me a company guy then...Guilty. That is one of the best programs at JetBlue. Period!

Lastly you blast me constantly as a company guy and a juicer yet I am trying to help by volunteering an ALPA committee, and serve this pilot group. And you ignore questions that I have asked you..plenty of them?

If your posts are suppose to be your way that you help this pilot group then I guess we will reap what we sow?.....

End of the day you get slammed and assassinated unless are negative and not positive......
HB- Im not trying to get on you, but your post is all over the place.
The biggest problem with your pov in general, is your constant praise of B6, while claiming to volunteer for ALPA. Anyone who sees why ALPA is here, would also see the frustration within the pilot group- This seems to escape you. Guys ARE going to leave, and its more than a few.

Its lovely to be positive, but you have claimed, on numerous occasions, that it keeps getting better here.
When Atr or I, or anyone say truthful but negative things, the facts are indisputable.
1. Healthcare has been gutted
2. Reserve rules are regional-like
3. FSM changed at the whim of management
4. Poor vacation system
5. Pay is 20-30% behind (I know guys, its more)
6. 3 day trips worth 10 hrs.
7. Enough redeyes to **** off even a freight dog

It is NOT getting better- Why do you insist on brushing over the problems here?
It is not a terrible place to work, but be honest to prospective candidates and empathize with those of us that are fed up.
B6 is NOT a destination airline.
It may become one, but B6 is too cheap to ever be on par with a legacy
contract.
Now, can you finally answer the question that has been leveled
to you by everyone?
How is it presently getting better?
No harm meant by this HB, but cut the pro company BS and at least act like you are apart of B6 reality.
Peace man
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Old 05-15-2017, 04:45 AM
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Please cover how things have improved HB. I am curious as well. Pay raise of 8% offset by 8% reduction in profit sharing. Pay raise offset by 235% increase in insurance cost. The increase in 10 hour 3 days, 5 hour 2 days, 18 hour 4 days? Is that the improvement you speak of?

Has the insurance improved? Has the retirement improved? Has the reserve schedule improved? Has the staffing improved? Dispatch? Has OTP improved? SOP's and procedures? Please explain how things have improved aside from Liftup awards or a pat on the back from the system chief?

We are all dying to know your thoughts because from a realistic line pilots perspective the "improvements" you speak of are solely robbing Peter to pay Paul. The fact you buy into it leads us to believe your head is either buried so far into the sand or up managements backside trying to climb the ladder.
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