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Old 06-11-2023, 03:36 PM
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One thing to note, our snap up excludes Deltas NEO rates. AA has a TA with seperate NEO rates which will be included in our snap up as it states all variants. They prob thought they wouldn’t negotiate a NEO rate. Either way helps us out somewhat. Pulling for everyone else for their own sake. If anything
the politics of ALPA should prove privatization of our interests will yield better results.
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Old 06-11-2023, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ARL120384 View Post
I've been hearing the wide body rumor forever too, but I think now is the time it has the potential to grow legs. I have heard from several people that the XLR is having some serious problems meeting its promises, and that they're having trouble cutting weight and meeting their numbers. I've heard that Airbus can only promise a 30 minute fuel reserve with what we want to do with it. One rumor I've heard is swaping the XLR orders for 330's that are available now, instead of an unproven airframe that is years away.

I'm not sure how many seats they plan, but our current LR's have 138 seats. I just don't see how we would make money doing Florida to Europe, or BOS/JFK to deep Europe and make any margins without the capability of taking cargo. I have heard several times that Robin likes the 787. We'll see, but I think for once this is a serious possibility. I know one of the good things that came from the NEA, is that we had the ability to access AA's reservation system and gather a lot of data as to where people are flying. I can only assume we took detailed notes, and can do that flying for a much better price.
Why 330's that is an old airframe. IMO the 350 or 787 would make better sense long term. The 330 is only about a decade newer than the 320 on its tech.
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Old 06-12-2023, 01:48 AM
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Why 330's that is an old airframe. IMO the 350 or 787 would make better sense long term. The 330 is only about a decade newer than the 320 on its tech.
Sized up with a 787, the 330neo is essentially the same aircraft in price, proportion, payload, range, cargo capacity etc. However the composite construction means the 787 does the same mission using less gas. The 330 is still a fantastic aircraft and the tech difference between the cockpits isn’t as profound as it seems. Essentially it would come down to what kind of deal they could get on either, delivery backlogs, training costs, and whether the fuel saved on the 787 over the long term would make up for any deals for the bus.
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:30 AM
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Sized up with a 787, the 330neo is essentially the same aircraft in price, proportion, payload, range, cargo capacity etc. However the composite construction means the 787 does the same mission using less gas. The 330 is still a fantastic aircraft and the tech difference between the cockpits isn’t as profound as it seems. Essentially it would come down to what kind of deal they could get on either, delivery backlogs, training costs, and whether the fuel saved on the 787 over the long term would make up for any deals for the bus.
fwiw: Airbus touts the A330 and the A350 as requiring only a brief differences course training for anyone already type rated in the A320. That could be an issue as well
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Old 06-12-2023, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 727_Driver View Post
Why 330's that is an old airframe. IMO the 350 or 787 would make better sense long term. The 330 is only about a decade newer than the 320 on its tech.
Good lord who cares… as long as we get appropriate payrates. It’s not like the decision to get a 330, 787 or 350 is going to affect you Profit Sharing check, and as overly cautious as this company it’s doubtful the decision will precipitate a BK . It’s just a piece of metal! Better just to have the delivery delay penalties fund the future refit the NK birds, honestly they have enough.on their plates.
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Old 06-12-2023, 04:06 PM
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"JetBlue has suspended Boston (BOS) - London LGW from ~Sep 21st to Jan 31 2024 in order to add Boston-Amsterdam (AMS) which starts almost the same day.

We had speculated how they would find planes to add two Amsterdam routes given their small fleet of transatlantic capable planes. It looked like they would use an A321NEO (necessary for range) on JFK-CDG instead of a transatlantic configuration A321LR in order to find an extra plane. That would have provided Mint, but not the Mint Transatlantic Business Class configuration for JFK-CDG. It appears they found another solution by dropping BOS-LGW for over 4 months.

The resumption date in February would be a very peculiar time to resume the route given seasonality would put that at pretty much rock bottom. I would guess either that date will slip, or they are expecting another A321 LR delivery on property in January 2024."

This is bad news for the company

Some have used this as a catalyst that proves our need for WB....as more ASM's could be used more efficiently with limited slots not to mention having to wait on deliveries, and the or the unknown of the xlr...........on the contrary if this down to equipment shortage as suggested above: "that they could have provided mint but not transatlantic mint"....so they just decided to drop BOS-LGW. I would think BOS-LGW regular mint would be better than nothing at all but I don't see those numbers. The fact they are doing this suggests to me that BOS-LGW is not doing that well financially after all. A symptom of a bigger yet to be diagnosed problem..................at least publicly! A symptom which WB would not be able to fix.
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Old 06-12-2023, 04:18 PM
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This is bad news for the company
I wouldn't read too much into this. Rumors have floated around about the LGW route out of BOS for a little bit. Its not a money maker like LHR, and the loads have been consistently light. I imagine its due to deliveries, but came at an appropriate time to allow AMS.
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Old 06-12-2023, 04:48 PM
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I wouldn't read too much into this. Rumors have floated around about the LGW route out of BOS for a little bit. Its not a money maker like LHR, and the loads have been consistently light. I imagine its due to deliveries, but came at an appropriate time to allow AMS.
Well the permanent slots at AMS is good news...this BOS-LGW seems to be tucked in there sneaking away while others are distracted. but I guess its not really official yet.

But what do you think about this and how it relates to widebodies? I think more and more of the transatlantic space is (at least Western Europe end) is going to be the domain of the narrow body......it's not just us. Why not continue to do what we are good at. Part of being successful is not so much "Knowing who you are"...it's "Knowing who you are NOT"....and we are not Virgin Atlantic, Lufthansa, Emirates. We can do the serve and volley much more with the TAP's, Icelandairs, Aer Linguses and maybe even the SASsss.
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Old 06-12-2023, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto View Post
from enilria.com
"JetBlue has suspended Boston (BOS) - London LGW from ~Sep 21st to Jan 31 2024 in order to add Boston-Amsterdam (AMS) which starts almost the same day.

We had speculated how they would find planes to add two Amsterdam routes given their small fleet of transatlantic capable planes. It looked like they would use an A321NEO (necessary for range) on JFK-CDG instead of a transatlantic configuration A321LR in order to find an extra plane. That would have provided Mint, but not the Mint Transatlantic Business Class configuration for JFK-CDG. It appears they found another solution by dropping BOS-LGW for over 4 months.

The resumption date in February would be a very peculiar time to resume the route given seasonality would put that at pretty much rock bottom. I would guess either that date will slip, or they are expecting another A321 LR delivery on property in January 2024."

This is bad news for the company

Some have used this as a catalyst that proves our need for WB....as more ASM's could be used more efficiently with limited slots not to mention having to wait on deliveries, and the or the unknown of the xlr...........on the contrary if this down to equipment shortage as suggested above: "that they could have provided mint but not transatlantic mint"....so they just decided to drop BOS-LGW. I would think BOS-LGW regular mint would be better than nothing at all but I don't see those numbers. The fact they are doing this suggests to me that BOS-LGW is not doing that well financially after all. A symptom of a bigger yet to be diagnosed problem..................at least publicly! A symptom which WB would not be able to fix.
the 3NS ( Neo with all mint suites) is the same cabin as the 3NL ( LR) just with less mint seats. It’s the same “premium mint transatlantic product” there’s going to be no difference in service or product besides the amount of seats… we have the airframes, we’re in need of motors BADLY. Look at all the NEO’s sitting in JFK with no engines.
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Old 06-12-2023, 08:48 PM
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the 3NS ( Neo with all mint suites) is the same cabin as the 3NL ( LR) just with less mint seats. It’s the same “premium mint transatlantic product” there’s going to be no difference in service or product besides the amount of seats… we have the airframes, we’re in need of motors BADLY. Look at all the NEO’s sitting in JFK with no engines.
Mostly true, but it’s an inferior core product. We used these 2 jets for several months last year BOS-LGW and it doesn’t have core ovens since we bought them for the domestic transcons. Lots of unhappy core customers getting handed cold bag lunches for the 8-hour westbound flights.
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