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Old 04-15-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyehog View Post
Yes you can be on both X/Y lists at the same time in your base. I live 2 hrs away from base.
Just have to have a bug out bag packed the car gassed up if I list for the Y list and answer the phone you can always let it go to voicemail that way you are not on the hook.
I would already be in favor of your X/Y list over our VDA/RSA system. Iíd take yours in a heartbeat.
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Old 04-15-2023, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Can you be on X and Y lists simultaneously?
Yes, the caveat is you will not know which list they are calling you off until you pick up the phone. You can always let it go to voicemail, evaluate the trip, and then try calling back, but you risk them finding a willing taker while you dance along to the hold music.
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Old 04-15-2023, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght View Post
Yes, the caveat is you will not know which list they are calling you off until you pick up the phone. You can always let it go to voicemail, evaluate the trip, and then try calling back, but you risk them finding a willing taker while you dance along to the hold music.
Can they bypass you on Y list if you answer but it will take 3hrs to get there vs someone who is on Y list and 1hr away?
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Old 04-15-2023, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Can they bypass you on Y list if you answer but it will take 3hrs to get there vs someone who is on Y list and 1hr away?
Sometimes they will ask you if you can make the xx:xx scheduled departure time before they will award it to you, and until itís on your schedule they have the right to keep fishing. If itís in 45 minutes and you need an hour they may work with you, but if you need the full three Iíve had them opt to move on down the list as I live a fair distance away and rush hour can eat up all of that.
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Old 04-19-2023, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Can they bypass you on Y list if you answer but it will take 3hrs to get there vs someone who is on Y list and 1hr away?
Yes we lost an arbitration on this. The spirit (no pun intended) of the Y list is to get flights out and the arbitrator ruled that even though you are afforded up to 3 hours they donít have to award it to you if the guy behind you can get there in an hour and thatís what they need.

Also at spirit anything that gets put on your schedule gets paid. As soon as something gets placed on mine I screen shot. On more than a couple occasions I have been awarded a Y list 200% trip and then scheduling finds another option that gets the flight out faster than what I told them I could make it in. That means Iím getting released and paid. Always screenshot.

As a sidebar to your car being stuck places that arenít your domicile when using Y list in outstations: yes itís often a possibility and does happen. I have left my car in outstations for days and sometimes weeks racking up parking charges after accepting Y list trips and the trips operates back to my domicile where I also happen to live. Small inconvenience and cost imo at captain pay at 200%. For some people itís not worth the hassle and they choose not to Y list.

Also of note for the X and Y list is you will be skipped legally on either list if you have a conflict with what they are trying to cover.

Non domicile cities that have more than a couple flights and few other pilots living there can be small goldmines for those that do. Large domiciles with lots of local pilots not so much. FLL is a good example. Most of the pilots list on both the X and Y list so once you take one trip itís unlikely youíll see another one in FLL as youíll cycle down the list. Large domiciles with not so many pilots living extremely close (Mco/las) tend to have a good amount of premium for those willing. Las because there are a lot of commuters and the flying sucks. Mco because the weather sucks and while most pilots live driving distance most donít live in Mco proper and are often less willing to come fly for premium if they have to get off the couch and make a 2-3hr drive.

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Old 04-19-2023, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Noisecanceller View Post
Yes we lost an arbitration on this. The spirit (no pun intended) of the Y list is to get flights out and the arbitrator ruled that even though you are afforded up to 3 hours they donít have to award it to you if the guy behind you can get there in an hour and thatís what they need.

Also at spirit anything that gets put on your schedule gets paid. As soon as something gets placed on mine I screen shot. On more than a couple occasions I have been awarded a Y list 200% trip and then scheduling finds another option that gets the flight out faster than what I told them I could make it in. That means Iím getting released and paid. Always screenshot.

As a sidebar to your car being stuck places that arenít your domicile when using Y list in outstations: yes itís often a possibility and does happen. I have left my car in outstations for days and sometimes weeks racking up parking charges after accepting Y list trips and the trips operates back to my domicile where I also happen to live. Small inconvenience and cost imo at captain pay at 200%. For some people itís not worth the hassle and they choose not to Y list.

Also of note for the X and Y list is you will be skipped legally on either list if you have a conflict with what they are trying to cover.

Non domicile cities that have more than a couple flights and few other pilots living there can be small goldmines for those that do. Large domiciles with lots of local pilots not so much. FLL is a good example. Most of the pilots list on both the X and Y list so once you take one trip itís unlikely youíll see another one in FLL as youíll cycle down the list. Large domiciles with not so many pilots living extremely close (Mco/las) tend to have a good amount of premium for those willing. Las because there are a lot of commuters and the flying sucks. Mco because the weather sucks and while most pilots live driving distance most donít live in Mco proper and are often less willing to come fly for premium if they have to get off the couch and make a 2-3hr drive.
Vegas is an XY goldmine here for sure. Airports like LAX, BWI, PHL, EWR, etc. can get plenty of Y list action as well

I hope the general spirit of our XY/JRM rules stick around after the merger
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Old 05-22-2023, 04:56 AM
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https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/16/...ine-study.htmlBest in First and Business Class
  1. JetBlue Airways: 893 points
  2. Delta Airlines: 865 points
  3. United Airlines: 848 points
  4. Alaska Airlines: 833 points
  5. Air Canada: 830 points
  6. American Airlines: 826 points



Best in Premium Economy
  1. Delta Air Lines: 848 points
  2. JetBlue Airways: 840 points
  3. Alaska Airlines: 823 points
  4. American Airlines: 821 points
  5. Air Canada: 797 points
  6. United Airlines: 784 points
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Old 05-22-2023, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Airwillystyle View Post
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/16/...ine-study.htmlBest in First and Business Class
  1. JetBlue Airways: 893 points
  2. Delta Airlines: 865 points
  3. United Airlines: 848 points
  4. Alaska Airlines: 833 points
  5. Air Canada: 830 points
  6. American Airlines: 826 points



Best in Premium Economy
  1. Delta Air Lines: 848 points
  2. JetBlue Airways: 840 points
  3. Alaska Airlines: 823 points
  4. American Airlines: 821 points
  5. Air Canada: 797 points
  6. United Airlines: 784 points
Are these ratings for pilots or passengers? Roll eyes.

Why don't you take these ratings to the bank and try and cash them? While our peers take profit sharing checks to the bank.
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Old 05-22-2023, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Airwillystyle View Post
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/16/...ine-study.htmlBest in First and Business Class
  1. JetBlue Airways: 893 points
  2. Delta Airlines: 865 points
  3. United Airlines: 848 points
  4. Alaska Airlines: 833 points
  5. Air Canada: 830 points
  6. American Airlines: 826 points



Best in Premium Economy
  1. Delta Air Lines: 848 points
  2. JetBlue Airways: 840 points
  3. Alaska Airlines: 823 points
  4. American Airlines: 821 points
  5. Air Canada: 797 points
  6. United Airlines: 784 points
The product has always been good (when the operation is not melting down) but is so far down on things I care about as a pilot! I used to fly at a glitzy expat carrier frequently rated in the top 5 for business and 1st class experience for the passengers (hell weíd be having caviar as our pre landing snack if the pax didnít wipe it out)Ö. But we were worked to death, the real pay with inflation kept decreasing and it in general was a miserable soul crushing experience. Itís nice to have a product to be proud of but itís soooo far down the list I donít see why itís even mentioned here. Total compensation package of our peers is where the comparison resides!
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Old 05-23-2023, 04:33 AM
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The product has always been good (when the operation is not melting down) but is so far down on things I care about as a pilot! I used to fly at a glitzy expat carrier frequently rated in the top 5 for business and 1st class experience for the passengers (hell weíd be having caviar as our pre landing snack if the pax didnít wipe it out)Ö. But we were worked to death, the real pay with inflation kept decreasing and it in general was a miserable soul crushing experience. Itís nice to have a product to be proud of but itís soooo far down the list I donít see why itís even mentioned here. Total compensation package of our peers is where the comparison resides!
Exactly! When the cockpit door is closed we are all doing the the same job and should be compensated as such! IDGAF about product and ratings, that's a company problem. Work to live, not live to work, they can keep the company rah- rah BS.
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