Roy Biggins

I would already be in favor of your X/Y list over our VDA/RSA system. I’d take yours in a heartbeat.

RemoveB4flght

Yes, the caveat is you will not know which list they are calling you off until you pick up the phone. You can always let it go to voicemail, evaluate the trip, and then try calling back, but you risk them finding a willing taker while you dance along to the hold music.

Flyby1206

Can they bypass you on Y list if you answer but it will take 3hrs to get there vs someone who is on Y list and 1hr away?

RemoveB4flght

Sometimes they will ask you if you can make the xx:xx scheduled departure time before they will award it to you, and until it’s on your schedule they have the right to keep fishing. If it’s in 45 minutes and you need an hour they may work with you, but if you need the full three I’ve had them opt to move on down the list as I live a fair distance away and rush hour can eat up all of that.

Noisecanceller

Yes we lost an arbitration on this. The spirit (no pun intended) of the Y list is to get flights out and the arbitrator ruled that even though you are afforded up to 3 hours they don’t have to award it to you if the guy behind you can get there in an hour and that’s what they need.

Also at spirit anything that gets put on your schedule gets paid. As soon as something gets placed on mine I screen shot. On more than a couple occasions I have been awarded a Y list 200% trip and then scheduling finds another option that gets the flight out faster than what I told them I could make it in. That means I’m getting released and paid. Always screenshot.

As a sidebar to your car being stuck places that aren’t your domicile when using Y list in outstations: yes it’s often a possibility and does happen. I have left my car in outstations for days and sometimes weeks racking up parking charges after accepting Y list trips and the trips operates back to my domicile where I also happen to live. Small inconvenience and cost imo at captain pay at 200%. For some people it’s not worth the hassle and they choose not to Y list.

Also of note for the X and Y list is you will be skipped legally on either list if you have a conflict with what they are trying to cover.

Non domicile cities that have more than a couple flights and few other pilots living there can be small goldmines for those that do. Large domiciles with lots of local pilots not so much. FLL is a good example. Most of the pilots list on both the X and Y list so once you take one trip it’s unlikely you’ll see another one in FLL as you’ll cycle down the list. Large domiciles with not so many pilots living extremely close (Mco/las) tend to have a good amount of premium for those willing. Las because there are a lot of commuters and the flying sucks. Mco because the weather sucks and while most pilots live driving distance most don’t live in Mco proper and are often less willing to come fly for premium if they have to get off the couch and make a 2-3hr drive.

baseball3792

Vegas is an XY goldmine here for sure. Airports like LAX, BWI, PHL, EWR, etc. can get plenty of Y list action as well

I hope the general spirit of our XY/JRM rules stick around after the merger

Airwillystyle

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/05/16/...ine-study.htmlBest in First and Business Class

1. JetBlue Airways: 893 points
2. Delta Airlines: 865 points
3. United Airlines: 848 points
4. Alaska Airlines: 833 points
5. Air Canada: 830 points
6. American Airlines: 826 points

Best in Premium Economy

1. Delta Air Lines: 848 points
2. JetBlue Airways: 840 points
3. Alaska Airlines: 823 points
4. American Airlines: 821 points
5. Air Canada: 797 points
6. United Airlines: 784 points

Bluedriver

Are these ratings for pilots or passengers? Roll eyes.

Why don't you take these ratings to the bank and try and cash them? While our peers take profit sharing checks to the bank.

Desdi

The product has always been good (when the operation is not melting down) but is so far down on things I care about as a pilot! I used to fly at a glitzy expat carrier frequently rated in the top 5 for business and 1st class experience for the passengers (hell we’d be having caviar as our pre landing snack if the pax didn’t wipe it out)…. But we were worked to death, the real pay with inflation kept decreasing and it in general was a miserable soul crushing experience. It’s nice to have a product to be proud of but it’s soooo far down the list I don’t see why it’s even mentioned here. Total compensation package of our peers is where the comparison resides!

putzin

Exactly! When the cockpit door is closed we are all doing the the same job and should be compensated as such! IDGAF about product and ratings, that's a company problem. Work to live, not live to work, they can keep the company rah- rah BS.