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Old 04-10-2023, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer View Post
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Jetblue Staffing Department, 2024:

”How do we staff every base as tight as LAS FO? We can save money and use VDAs to make up the difference during IROPs.”
Well in LAS currently there’s already tons of XY trips every day, let alone in IROPS, so they can’t really function like that. Also, not many pilots live in LAS, so it’s harder for them to get XY coverage last minute.
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Old 04-10-2023, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluedriver View Post
They would never do that.
The amount of staffing has little effect on the grid due to our contractual constraints. All the bases are short staffed on the FO side. LAS FO is the most red because LAS gets the most XY trips, so more FOs drop their entire schedule to pick up premium. Again, it’s doable to drop even if you’re junior, you just have to work a little harder at frequently checking the grid.
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Old 04-14-2023, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball3792 View Post
Well in LAS currently there’s already tons of XY trips every day, let alone in IROPS, so they can’t really function like that. Also, not many pilots live in LAS, so it’s harder for them to get XY coverage last minute.
What are XY trips?
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Old 04-14-2023, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer View Post
What are XY trips?
Premium flying.

You can list for x list trips in your base and they have a report of > 3 hours. You can list for Y trips out of any Spirit city and they have a report of < 3 hours.
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Old 04-14-2023, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation View Post
Premium flying.

You can list for x list trips in your base and they have a report of > 3 hours. You can list for Y trips out of any Spirit city and they have a report of < 3 hours.
Pls elaborate….

How much does X pay?
How much does Y pay (and do they include virtual DH credit to/frm ur base)?
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Old 04-14-2023, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Desdi View Post
Pls elaborate….

How much does X pay?
How much does Y pay (and do they include virtual DH credit to/frm ur base)?
X and Y pay 200%
X list is only for your base and you can refuse the trip when offered
Y list is for any location Spirit currently has service, you can report in 3 hours or less, and you can not refuse an assignment. Basically if you answer the phone on a Y list, you’re going. That has caused issues with pilots being assigned Y list trips for a longer duration than what they showed available for when signing up for Y list trips

The X list pilot gets any and all DH pay since the trips start and end at their domicile

The Y list trip is different. If you’re a MCO pilot and Y list for TPA, your trip will show a virtual DH to start showing MCO-TPA (for crew tracking) and 0 credit. The end of a trip will have a DH or operational trip back to MCO, in which the pilot is paid for. So the pilot has the option to take the DH back to MCO and get back to TPA on their own or self release the leg before and JS back to TPA.
Y list trips can be productive because you’ll see a lot of 1 leg, overnight, and DH back the next day to base. So the pilot does the 1 leg, gets released, and catches the next flight home, and it’s 20 hours minimum for a day of work.
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Old 04-14-2023, 12:36 PM
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To further elaborate, each list Capt and Fo is reset to zero each yeah on Jan 1st. When a trip pops up, scheduling goes in seniority order until someone picks up the phone and says yes. When that pilots completes the trip, the credit is added to their name and they drop to the bottom of the list for call priority. If they had 10 hours credit and someone else gets a call for 15 credit, they fall to the bottom under the first guy. Ostensibly this will give everyone an opportunity for premium time. But a lot of it also revolves around when they call, who answers the phone, who says yes, etc.
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Old 04-14-2023, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo View Post
X and Y pay 200%
X list is only for your base and you can refuse the trip when offered
Y list is for any location Spirit currently has service, you can report in 3 hours or less, and you can not refuse an assignment. Basically if you answer the phone on a Y list, you’re going. That has caused issues with pilots being assigned Y list trips for a longer duration than what they showed available for when signing up for Y list trips

The X list pilot gets any and all DH pay since the trips start and end at their domicile

The Y list trip is different. If you’re a MCO pilot and Y list for TPA, your trip will show a virtual DH to start showing MCO-TPA (for crew tracking) and 0 credit. The end of a trip will have a DH or operational trip back to MCO, in which the pilot is paid for. So the pilot has the option to take the DH back to MCO and get back to TPA on their own or self release the leg before and JS back to TPA.
Y list trips can be productive because you’ll see a lot of 1 leg, overnight, and DH back the next day to base. So the pilot does the 1 leg, gets released, and catches the next flight home, and it’s 20 hours minimum for a day of work.
Hmm seems like your X list is superior to our “in base VDA” since you can bypass. But your Y list is inferior to our “out of base VDA” because of the lack of virtual DH credit. Structurally those trips end up being similar but with ours we are virtually credited from our base to the base where the pairing is built out of, the pairing credit, then credit for a virtual DH back to base. So if you VDA in MCO and you are based in JFK, you get called for MCO-BDL overnight with a DH back to MCO the next day (10 hrs for the pairing) , add 2.5 each way of virtual DH credit to/frm JFK/MCO at 200% that would be 30 hrs for the one leg of work.
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Old 04-14-2023, 05:38 PM
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However, I'd take their provisions for distributing premium more broadly, instead of the most senior guys getting most of the premium trips.
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Old 04-14-2023, 06:07 PM
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However, I'd take their provisions for distributing premium more broadly, instead of the most senior guys getting most of the premium trips.
It does give EVERYBODY a shot at making extra.
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