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04-15-2023, 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
X and Y pay 200%
X list is only for your base and you can refuse the trip when offered
Y list is for any location Spirit currently has service, you can report in 3 hours or less, and you can not refuse an assignment. Basically if you answer the phone on a Y list, you’re going. That has caused issues with pilots being assigned Y list trips for a longer duration than what they showed available for when signing up for Y list trips
The X list pilot gets any and all DH pay since the trips start and end at their domicile
The Y list trip is different. If you’re a MCO pilot and Y list for TPA, your trip will show a virtual DH to start showing MCO-TPA (for crew tracking) and 0 credit. The end of a trip will have a DH or operational trip back to MCO, in which the pilot is paid for. So the pilot has the option to take the DH back to MCO and get back to TPA on their own or self release the leg before and JS back to TPA.
Y list trips can be productive because you’ll see a lot of 1 leg, overnight, and DH back the next day to base. So the pilot does the 1 leg, gets released, and catches the next flight home, and it’s 20 hours minimum for a day of work.
X list is only for your base and you can refuse the trip when offered
Y list is for any location Spirit currently has service, you can report in 3 hours or less, and you can not refuse an assignment. Basically if you answer the phone on a Y list, you’re going. That has caused issues with pilots being assigned Y list trips for a longer duration than what they showed available for when signing up for Y list trips
The X list pilot gets any and all DH pay since the trips start and end at their domicile
The Y list trip is different. If you’re a MCO pilot and Y list for TPA, your trip will show a virtual DH to start showing MCO-TPA (for crew tracking) and 0 credit. The end of a trip will have a DH or operational trip back to MCO, in which the pilot is paid for. So the pilot has the option to take the DH back to MCO and get back to TPA on their own or self release the leg before and JS back to TPA.
Y list trips can be productive because you’ll see a lot of 1 leg, overnight, and DH back the next day to base. So the pilot does the 1 leg, gets released, and catches the next flight home, and it’s 20 hours minimum for a day of work.
Our VDA system in that example would start with a ground transportation leg from MCO-TPA in which the pilot could ride along on, leaving his car in MCO which makes the back end a lot easier.
Report time from callout varies wildly for VDA and a pilot could be called and then bypassed because Crew Scheduling determines it takes too long for the pilot to report.
04-15-2023, 07:29 AM
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Seems like Y list could be a pain if you originate in TPA and end with an operating leg to MCO. Now your car is in TPA and you have to find a way back to get it.
Our VDA system in that example would start with a ground transportation leg from MCO-TPA in which the pilot could ride along on, leaving his car in MCO which makes the back end a lot easier.
Report time from callout varies wildly for VDA and a pilot could be called and then bypassed because Crew Scheduling determines it takes too long for the pilot to report.
Our VDA system in that example would start with a ground transportation leg from MCO-TPA in which the pilot could ride along on, leaving his car in MCO which makes the back end a lot easier.
Report time from callout varies wildly for VDA and a pilot could be called and then bypassed because Crew Scheduling determines it takes too long for the pilot to report.
The point of the Y list is to avoid having to put a pilot in a car and drive them from MCO to TPA, when we have pilots living in non domicile bases, wanting to operating a flight.
For NK, you could do well if you lived in a non domicile city where we do a lot of overnights; LAX and BWI come to mind.
04-15-2023, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Seems like Y list could be a pain if you originate in TPA and end with an operating leg to MCO. Now your car is in TPA and you have to find a way back to get it.
Our VDA system in that example would start with a ground transportation leg from MCO-TPA in which the pilot could ride along on, leaving his car in MCO which makes the back end a lot easier.
Report time from callout varies wildly for VDA and a pilot could be called and then bypassed because Crew Scheduling determines it takes too long for the pilot to report.
Our VDA system in that example would start with a ground transportation leg from MCO-TPA in which the pilot could ride along on, leaving his car in MCO which makes the back end a lot easier.
Report time from callout varies wildly for VDA and a pilot could be called and then bypassed because Crew Scheduling determines it takes too long for the pilot to report.
Cinco touched on this in the above response, but to elaborate more using your example of MCO base and TPA flight, let’s say it’s one leg to ATL and DH home.
X list is beyond 3 hours, so if they need an MCO pilot in TPA and they called pilots in Orlando for the trip it will start with a company limo MCO-TPA. He does the flight and they deadhead him back to MCO.
Y list is under 3 hours, so they need someone there PDQ. If you are Y listed in TPA and they call you, they will return you to base, so you will fly to ATL and they deadhead you back to MCO. What most pilots do is get released from the deadhead and jumpseat back to TPA, or you can take the company deadhead and rent a car. This is one reason many people don’t Y list, but I’ll buy a $100 rental against a $6k one leg soft credit premium trip.
04-15-2023, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
I think you’re misunderstanding the example. The pilot lives in TPA, his car is in TPA. He is based in MCO. A Y list would be for a trip that has its first operating leg from TPA, say a pilot busted out sick in TPA on an overnight and they need a CA for that flight now. A transportation leg from MCO to TPA does nothing for the TPA pilot, he is in TPA, Y listing for TPA originating trips.
The point of the Y list is to avoid having to put a pilot in a car and drive them from MCO to TPA, when we have pilots living in non domicile bases, wanting to operating a flight.
For NK, you could do well if you lived in a non domicile city where we do a lot of overnights; LAX and BWI come to mind.
The point of the Y list is to avoid having to put a pilot in a car and drive them from MCO to TPA, when we have pilots living in non domicile bases, wanting to operating a flight.
For NK, you could do well if you lived in a non domicile city where we do a lot of overnights; LAX and BWI come to mind.
Originally Posted by RemoveB4flght
Cinco touched on this in the above response, but to elaborate more using your example of MCO base and TPA flight, let’s say it’s one leg to ATL and DH home.
X list is beyond 3 hours, so if they need an MCO pilot in TPA and they called pilots in Orlando for the trip it will start with a company limo MCO-TPA. He does the flight and they deadhead him back to MCO.
Y list is under 3 hours, so they need someone there PDQ. If you are Y listed in TPA and they call you, they will return you to base, so you will fly to ATL and they deadhead you back to MCO. What most pilots do is get released from the deadhead and jumpseat back to TPA, or you can take the company deadhead and rent a car. This is one reason many people don’t Y list, but I’ll buy a $100 rental against a $6k one leg soft credit premium trip.
X list is beyond 3 hours, so if they need an MCO pilot in TPA and they called pilots in Orlando for the trip it will start with a company limo MCO-TPA. He does the flight and they deadhead him back to MCO.
Y list is under 3 hours, so they need someone there PDQ. If you are Y listed in TPA and they call you, they will return you to base, so you will fly to ATL and they deadhead you back to MCO. What most pilots do is get released from the deadhead and jumpseat back to TPA, or you can take the company deadhead and rent a car. This is one reason many people don’t Y list, but I’ll buy a $100 rental against a $6k one leg soft credit premium trip.
04-15-2023, 08:42 AM
That/It/Thang
Joined APC: Aug 2020
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Thanks guys, definitely makes sense if it is a nice one leg operate and DH back to a base. And you're right that a rental car is a small price to pay for a $6k trip. I'm just a pilot doing what we do best 🤣
04-15-2023, 09:52 AM
SDQ Base Chief
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo
Thankfully Uber has replaced rent a car for most things like this. It’s $100 for the Uber from MCO-TPA IF you are operating the leg back, which you won’t on all of them. Not a bad deal at all
04-15-2023, 11:28 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2016
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Can you be on X and Y lists simultaneously?
Just have to have a bug out bag packed the car gassed up if I list for the Y list and answer the phone you can always let it go to voicemail that way you are not on the hook.
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