Locke

That wasn't a complaint. Just a fairly accurate depiction of what you'll find at initial training. Now, it's been a little while, and experience does tend to dilute the shock of it, but for a newbie that will hit you like a ton of bricks.

Kerizbro

Does the 767 have similar schedules to the 747? Also how are the retirement numbers looking over the next couple of years?

Thanks

GatorHog

Hmm. I have no 121 experience, no heavy experience, and I don't know what NADP, DMI, or TLR are. Sounds like it would be a peach of a time!

No Land 3

That stuff won't give you issues, the exponential fire hose will.

East Aspen Dash

The first part I know: no. Bunch of hun turns at night, low time lines. It's still an infant program.


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maxjet

Perhaps these posts represent a very good analysis as to why some, (less than 1% fail) pilots have a problem in training. Gator Hog does not know the answer to what a NADP profile is, and instead of looking it up, indicates through his writing, that a the average professional pilot, would not know that it stands for Noise Abatement Departure Procedure. I am sorry to offend you Gator Pilot, but I can hazard a guess that you have never looked at the Jeppessen Airport Reference pages before. Other countries frown on you operating your Aircraft at their airport against their rules when they are clearly written.

Next, let's take a look at what Locke has written. I have types in several "big boy" airplanes. Kalitta' AQP Initial course is definitely in the middle of the road on a level of difficulty scale. Some facts about the Kalitta course
1. All FTD and Simulator lesson instructor scripts are on the training website,and most instructors even go as far as to print out the scripts, and the flight release documents for you to use for studying.
2. All students have access through the company website to the Jeppesen program.
3. All students are given paper copies of all manuals and have access to electronic copies of said manuals.
4. All students are signed off on programming the FTD (a level C equivalent sim that does not move.) so that they can do self directed learning on their off time during Indoc,systems, FTD's and Sims. Best FMS and systems trainer in the world.
5. ICAO Airports used in training are JFK, SFO, LAX, CVG, ORD, AMS, HKG, TPE. ICAO Airports meet the same standards around the world except for those items listed in that pesky Airport Reference Section.
6. Most pilots flying 121 today have at least heard of if not used Aero Data Performance Software. I hope those pilots know what a TLR is. (Takeoff,landing report)

So my Question for Locke. How is it that when you have access to all of the above material INCLUDING the actual script that the instructor will use, that a Professional Pilot could be "taken out of his/her comfort zone? How is the instructor piling on when he is following the script to the letter? God forbid you don't know the NADP profile for the direction you are going that day? Do you mean the one that is in the Airport Reference Pages or one of the exceptions that the Instructor went over with you in the briefing?

Rest assured, Professional Pilots are welcome here, will do well in training, and the instructors will spend as much time as needed to train a pilot who shows up prepared and is ready to learn. Additional training is given freely here.

Kalitta is not an entry level job where we train First Officers. It is an Airline where ALL pilots are either Captains or Captains in training. When you fly you make ALL the decisions. The Captain retains last word on all matters of course but you will be expected to fly the plane.

HercDriver130

Well said Max.. see you guys in a few weeks!!!

GatorHog

Well, first, I'm not offended, so no worries. (Takes a lot more than that )

Second, methinks you read a little too much into my comment, which was intended to be mostly tongue in cheek. Did I know what that stuff was in that moment of replying to an APC post? Nope. Would I look it up and be prepared for professional training? Of course.

As for Jeppesen...nope. I've been a mil guy (fighters, not mobility) my whole career and we don't use it. Just something else new to learn.

Part of what excites me about civilian flying - and 121 in particular - is that it's a completely different universe compared to what I've been doing for my entire professional career.

maxjet

Yes, I did read a lot into what you wrote. Last year we actually had a fair share of students who actually thought that way. You are an exception as I would expect from a mil guy 😀 Our new hiring standards and a good contract have gone a long way in elimating that type of candidate

HVYMETALDRVR

Question: Whats a realistic time frame from application finished, to phone call/email, interview date, and class date? I'm currently working abroad for a bit and want to apply, but don't want to miss it and get passed over. Earliest I could be prepared for an interview is about 6 weeks, if I were lucky enough to hear anything that is.

Thanks in advance.