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Old 03-18-2017, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by tattooguy21 View Post
So how is the landing different (I fly RW.) I imagine the goal is to have minimum flare/aft yoke (that's what you guys call it, right?) applied so that all gear touches down nearly in unison?

Aside from that it's just appropriate A/S based on your weight and runway length, correct?

BTW, I realize this is probably a gross oversimplification, but I took a stab. I have no concept procedurally what you guys do.
With leading edge slats all the airliners I've flown have about the same pitch attitude on final - 2.5 to 3 degrees NU. You DO NOT want to land on all gear at the same time. A slight pitch increase of 1-2 degrees, with power at idle, is the target.

Approach speed doesn't change with runway length. Only due to weights, flap configurations, and possible speed adjustments for wind conditions.
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Old 03-18-2017, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jdt30 View Post
Just like Malaysian was dispatched through Ukraine airspace.
Huh?

care to expand on that statement some?
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by popcorn View Post
I'm assuming that wasn't a serious question.
No, it actually is a serious question. Every time I land the 767-300 I use basically the same technique I learned in a Cessna 150 30 years ago.....it's bigger, you flare higher, and you generally land with some thrust unless you're really light, but I don't consider that it "lands differently"...a plane is a plane.....hoping you can explain how it lands differently as you stated.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:45 PM
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Well for one, the sight picture on landing. Two, when you reduce power and flare. Three, higher approach speeds and more inertia. I could go on.

How long have YOU been a pilot???

By this criteria, every airplane lands differently. higher approach speeds? I've had Vref down to about 118 knots on a light 757....more inertia but bigger brakes.
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Old 03-18-2017, 02:52 PM
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Who the hell lands airplanes these days? I just press the land button and go back to my nap.
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
I went from a CJ2+ to an A300.

It ain't hard, folks...
I know, it really isn't.
Then again, I've had pilots try to do stuff like deviating around a big radar return. My response? "Dude, you know that's Jamaica, not a TRW?"

Other guys eat the canned dispatch release like another Skittle out of the bag without a thought. then act shocked when 777 crew gets a Mach 3 BUK missile in their face. (100%, that event wouldn't have happened to me).

As it's been pointed out, it's just different.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:18 PM
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http://http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-13/dutch-authorities-deliver-final-report-on-crashed-flight--mh17/6851490?pfmredir=sm

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Huh?

care to expand on that statement some?
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:38 PM
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What's your point?

The aircraft was dispatched through legally open airspace, and other airliners were also flying in that same vicinity. Only altitudes below FL320 were closed. Now if you want to have a discussion on the sheer stupidity of Ukraine only closing altitudes to FL320 when they knew the rebels shot down a Ukrainian military aircraft at 22,000 ft, and that a SAM missile that could reach 22k feet could easily reach anything double that...... that's a whole another topic.

Still, the aircraft was legally dispatched with legal routing in compliance with what was known and published at the time.
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
What's your point?

The aircraft was dispatched through legally open airspace, and other airliners were also flying in that same vicinity. Only altitudes below FL320 were closed. Now if you want to have a discussion on the sheer stupidity of Ukraine only closing altitudes to FL320 when they knew the rebels shot down a Ukrainian military aircraft at 22,000 ft, and that a SAM missile that could reach 22k feet could easily reach anything double that...... that's a whole another topic.

Still, the aircraft was legally dispatched with legal routing in compliance with what was known and published at the time.
I'm done. My point was flying international is not difficult, just different. I'm apparently not good at making a point on an internet chat board. So I will have my discussions with pilots over beer.
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I'm done. My point was flying international is not difficult, just different. I'm apparently not good at making a point on an internet chat board. So I will have my discussions with pilots over beer.
No, your point was stupid. The pilots of the Malaysian aircraft were doing the exact same thing that hundreds of previous crews did right before them; transiting open airspace. Period.

If they had been delayed 5 minutes the headlines would have read "Lufthansa shot down by..." or "AirFrance shot down by..."

Random uncontrollable stuff happens, international or domestic. There's no way to control any of it; that's the nature of randomness. TWA 800; missile test gone bad or electric spark in fuel tank?
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