oldcarpilot

Trying to make sure I'm correct or not.

You are required to have a min of 10hrs rest (8hrs sleep opportunity) before beginning any FDP. Unless assigned before your airplane hits the chocks your FDP ends when you hit the chocks and there is no longer intention for the airplane to move. Therefor if they have not assigned you anything before you hit the chocks your FDP ends and you now need the required rest.?

I can't find an exact answer to this. Anyone know where to find one?

Thanks!

ELAC321

FAA issued a letter of interpretation on this back when 117 started. I believe you could be assigned something after block in +15min or something like that.

Rama

Alpa has some good info on 117 online, not sure if they have the particular answer you are looking for.

IDIOTPILOT

The FAA uses the term “affirmative intent”. If there’s any hint of wanting to assign you something after, you can be. This leaves a lot open depending on your CBA and work rules. Pretty much the FAA doesn’t seem to care as long as the additional flights fit within limits and you sign fit for duty.

oldcarpilot

This is all I can find that addresses it...

(e) No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept an assignment for any reserve or flight duty period unless the flightcrew member is given a rest period of at least 10 consecutive hours immediately before beginning the reserve or flight duty period measured from the time the flightcrew member is released from duty. The 10 hour rest period must provide the flightcrew member with a minimum of 8 uninterrupted hours of sleep opportunity.

Flight duty period (FDP)
means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member. A flight duty period includes the duties performed by the flightcrew member on behalf of the certificate holder that occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without a required intervening rest period. Examples of tasks that are part of the flight duty period include deadhead transportation, training conducted in an aircraft or flight simulator, and airport/standby reserve, if the above tasks occur before a flight segment or between flight segments without an intervening required rest period.

IDIOTPILOT

Look at some of the letter of interpretation from the FAA.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

SEPfield

Part 117 defines an PDP as "a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member"
The PAA has previously stated that "the number of flight segments in an PDP can be changed after an PDP begins.?'

In a recently-issued interpretation, the PAA stated that the termination of an PDP requires "an affirmative intent for no further aircraft movement.,,4 The PAA elaborated that:

This affirmative intent is lacking when the certificate holder is unsure whether there will be another flight or further aircraft movement. As a result, if the certificate holder intends or may intend to use the flightcrew member for another flight or further aicrcraft movement, the certificate holder may do so by holding the pilot on duty with the PDP clock running, making necessary adjustments based on any assignments to ensure that the pertinent PDP limits are not violated.'


So basically, until you are officially “off duty” the airlines can assign you additional flying IAW your specific airline CBA.

tom11011

The decision by your company to extend you has to be made prior to the end of your FDP. The notification obviously follows later.

SEPfield

More accurately. The decision to NOT fly you needs to be made before the end of your duty period.

For example. Your FDP ends when you set the brake, but your Duty period ends 15 min after the brake is set. The company can still call you within that 15 min and assign you additional flying as long as you do not exceed the FAR 117 limits, and your FDP clock keeps going.

WhiskeyDelta

I think you’re conflating FDP with contractual duty. FDP ends the moment the brake is set after the last working leg and you have not been notified of additional flying. There is nothing in 117 or any interpretation that says a certificate holder can assign more flying without another 10 hours of rest once an FDP has ended. This 15 minute window any company can use to assign more flying you’re talking about doesn’t exist in 117.