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Old 03-04-2018, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback View Post
Wet sock smell was common on the 727. A couple of writeups per year. Haven’t had one in decades since newer aircraft technology came on on line.
The 727 had that on every descent. Had the exact same smell on the AB but not a common occurance.
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Originally Posted by webecheck View Post
The reality is pilots probably do far more harm to their brains from alcohol consumption, and to some extent problems with women.

Would be hard to sit at a bar on an overnight and with a straight face complain to each other about how that smell may cause some health issues when older, as you pound that 9% Belgian. I’m not saying the risk isn’t there, but if you’re going to make a stink about it, wouldn’t you need to be the guy who doesn’t drink, exercises, isn’t 40lbs overweight, etc?
You can’t possible be serious. What an ignorant post.
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Old 03-06-2018, 10:43 AM
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Can you supply a picture of their fume event reporting form?
Not in million years.

You are trying to get someone fired?
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Originally Posted by webecheck View Post
The reality is pilots probably do far more harm to their brains from alcohol consumption, and to some extent problems with women.

Would be hard to sit at a bar on an overnight and with a straight face complain to each other about how that smell may cause some health issues when older, as you pound that 9% Belgian. I’m not saying the risk isn’t there, but if you’re going to make a stink about it, wouldn’t you need to be the guy who doesn’t drink, exercises, isn’t 40lbs overweight, etc?
The difference is that inhaling these chemicals will kill you much faster than moderately drinking, being 40 lbs overweight, not exercising, etc. We're talking a ratio of days to decades here. The neurotoxicity of organophosphates is way higher than any alcohol consumption. Sounds to me like you need to do some research.
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I’ve been looking, I think ALPA had issued some information with regards to the issue and tracking it. I haven’t found it yet, and I’m also not sure if it was an Endeavor ALPA publication or national.
Why doesn't ALPA hire industrial hygienists to take measurements or supply test equipment? IH specialists do this for a living and the field is extremely advanced these days. This stuff is the size of a handheld radio and easy to operate these days. If this is a real thing or people are convinced it is, I would think this would be the first thing they'd be asking the union to do?
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Old 03-07-2018, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Why doesn't ALPA hire industrial hygienists to take measurements or supply test equipment? IH specialists do this for a living and the field is extremely advanced these days. This stuff is the size of a handheld radio and easy to operate these days. If this is a real thing or people are convinced it is, I would think this would be the first thing they'd be asking the union to do?
Measuring this type of contamination has been difficult until recently. There is a research doctor in Canada who mentioned that a new testing method now exists which is cheap and easy to install. Think of it like a fly trap. You carry it around and then a chemical analysis is done on what sticks to it.

The alternative is super expensive cabin air monitoring equipment installed by the company. The big problem is the company can always hide the results or provide processed information.

Whatever the solution, pilots need a solution they can carry around, like a personal radiation dosimeter.
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Not in million years.

You are trying to get someone fired?
What the hell are you talking about?
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:15 PM
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What the hell are you talking about?
Well, what Gus is saying is that releasing confidential company material on the internet and leaving a digital footprint isn’t wise.
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Old 03-17-2018, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
Why doesn't ALPA hire industrial hygienists to take measurements or supply test equipment? IH specialists do this for a living and the field is extremely advanced these days. This stuff is the size of a handheld radio and easy to operate these days. If this is a real thing or people are convinced it is, I would think this would be the first thing they'd be asking the union to do?
The carrier would have to approve any testing during aircraft operation and I am sure they would be all for it.
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You can’t possible be serious. What an ignorant post.
The idea is to lower the overall probabilities. Individually all of these threats are comparatively small but combined the risk of health effects and even death is high. That is why we must do everything possible to attack every issue ferociously, regardless of how small we perceive each one to be.


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