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Old 04-07-2018, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by nkbux View Post
The FO is a good friend and that is all correct...except there’s a lot more to the story with the Captain...furthermore the “chain of events” not being reported to the FAA is from a problem child flight attendant who sends this idiot false information which then gets published on this website. The company is well aware of it as are the 99% of the pilots. This is clearly an issue industry wide that needs to be addressed. Ours took center stage because of this event. However we are not under a rampant string of events everyday. How is that possible? Did we get a bad batch of 320’s and no one else is having problems? This happens at every airline in every type of A/C all the time. Sometimes it’s more prevalent than others. Sometimes you may not even recognize it’s happening. I’m not a company kool aid drinker but Spirit is leading the industry in fume awareness and is in the process of investing a ton of money into an STC for a state of the art filtration system on the bleeds that will do away with this problem. Not coming down on you...but this literature is the national enquirer of aviation incidents
Manufacturers should have solved this issue decades ago. They knew about it and put everyone in danger.
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Old 04-07-2018, 08:24 AM
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It’s like the 3 stooges. Every party points at the other. Oil fumes are organophosphates. The same compounds as pesticides and chemical warfare agents. Major kudos to Spirit for taking the lead on this.
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Old 04-09-2018, 08:13 PM
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Is this problem pretty much mostly with Airbus 319/320/321s? Someone said it can happen with pretty much any aircraft, but I've only really seen Airbus mentioned
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Old 04-10-2018, 05:04 AM
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Is this problem pretty much mostly with Airbus 319/320/321s? Someone said it can happen with pretty much any aircraft, but I've only really seen Airbus mentioned
Not ONLY but seems to be more prevalent with Airbus, for what reason I don’t know. There was a bad case on a 73 in the UK that led to terrible long term health issues for both guys. If your an airbus guy and your operator does not have a procedure for fume events...don’t risk the possibilities. If you feel symptoms or smell the socks or citrus smell, don your mask and turn the left pack off...if it’s coming from the cabin turn the right pack off. Furthermore, doing a single engine taxi with the APU bleed on is a fume event waiting to happen. TURN THE BLEED OFF UNTIL YOU START AN ENGINE I’d rather be warm on a hot day than maced with oil. Better to be safe then sorry.
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Old 04-11-2018, 10:23 AM
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Good news, Frontier has a procedure in place. It's not in every QRH yet, but I just saw it in the back of the QRH in one of our newer NEO's. I haven't seen a memo yet making pilots aware of the procedure, but I hope that we'll see that soon. Maybe once they get it in every airplane.
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Good news, Frontier has a procedure in place. It's not in every QRH yet, but I just saw it in the back of the QRH in one of our newer NEO's. I haven't seen a memo yet making pilots aware of the procedure, but I hope that we'll see that soon. Maybe once they get it in every airplane.
QRH? What’s that? Spirit has a maze of an electronic encyclopedia that changes regularly which you must find a problem in before it kills you. And I hear Airbus ships the plane with a QRH.
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Old 04-12-2018, 05:53 AM
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Here at G4 we just had a bulletin come out with a Fumes Checklist that talks about “Wet Sock”. Good to see most all Bus operators doing something about it, or at least aware of it.

What has Airbus said about this problem? Are they doing anything about it? I find it hard to believe the FAA couldn’t step in and force their hand.
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The BA event comes to mind where the entire crew got sick. Does the fact that they got sick before the passengers mean that they already had an elevated level of the chemical in their blood? Are Airbus pilots always breathing low levels of this stuff?

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The BA event comes to mind where the entire crew got sick. Does the fact that they got sick before the passengers mean that they already had an elevated level of the chemical in their blood? Are Airbus pilots always breathing low levels of this stuff?

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The entire crew didn’t get sick. All were tested, three were treated. Along with 2(?) passengers. Smell was only near one door.
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