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Old 03-08-2023, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
The financials simply will not support huge raises. Breeze is burning cash. Avelo on the other hand has a very modest cash burn and should be profitable by summer. They would have already turned a profit had jet fuel not increased substantially. It appears their pilot strategy at Breeze is low pay and hire pilots with absolute minimum qualifications.
Not really. Management just told us this week we should be profitable by the end of the year, and if not, certainly by next year. There will be a pay raise effective April 1st. Question is are they serious about it. This is definitely a place to stay if the pay is right.
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Old 03-08-2023, 02:56 PM
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Not really. Management just told us this week we should be profitable by the end of the year, and if not, certainly by next year. There will be a pay raise effective April 1st. Question is are they serious about it. This is definitely a place to stay if the pay is right.

This raise will be the make or break decision for me. Anything less than JetBlue rates and there is a very big chance I’ll be dusting off my CRJ type or finding the highest bidder for my shiny new E190 type. It’s time to see who really needs a captains to cover their summer flying.
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Old 03-09-2023, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by bluespoon View Post
Not only this but the company has chosen the route of staffing the airline by hiring CFIs so that at least they’ll show up. That’s great and all but the problem is they’re coming in with zero experience to be flying E190s, A220s and doing charters. It means the Captains are about to be left with not only dealing with operational complicities but will also have to babysit their fellow pilot next to them indefinitely. It better be a huge pay raise or I can see big instability in the Captain ranks.
The problem with this model is not the babysitting. I can coach and mentor a cfi whose willing to learn all day. The problem is that these CFI’s won’t be anywhere close to upgrading for another 2 years. Breeze will have to match B6 pay (highly unlikely) to attract DEC’s or they won’t be able to grow for lack of captains. Currently there isn’t a pilot shortage but a captain shortage. In addition, the schedules are gonna have to be fenomenal going forward, otherwise attrition will continue to grow as the legacies get their new TA’s. The current A220 flying is inhumane lol.
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Old 03-09-2023, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SEPfield View Post
This raise will be the make or break decision for me. Anything less than JetBlue rates and there is a very big chance I’ll be dusting off my CRJ type or finding the highest bidder for my shiny new E190 type. It’s time to see who really needs a captains to cover their summer flying.
go to GoJet
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Old 03-09-2023, 07:21 AM
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This isn’t a constructive response. Breeze needs pilots and the cavalier if you don’t like it go elsewhere argument doesn’t help.
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Old 03-09-2023, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose View Post
The problem with this model is not the babysitting. I can coach and mentor a cfi whose willing to learn all day. The problem is that these CFI’s won’t be anywhere close to upgrading for another 2 years. Breeze will have to match B6 pay (highly unlikely) to attract DEC’s or they won’t be able to grow for lack of captains.
Well who really wants to babysit? It’s not like they’ll have the usual learning they have to do at another airline, they have never been in an airline environment at all. The training department will pass them on to the line because they’re desperate for coverage and it will place an added burden on captains to really train them day to day. That could be enough to make captains bail without significant compensation. But yes 2 years minimum to get 1000 SIC. We came into flying and upgrading on turbo props and Barbie jets after sometimes years of being a first officer. Who really knows if they will even be comfortable upgrading with just 1000 SIC in this environment. Long term captain upgrades will be an issue. I really believe they can keep the first officers from leaving considering the massive upgrade and seniority growth opportunities and it would help all of us. However it will have to be a significant pay upgrade they’ll have to look forward to.
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Old 03-09-2023, 10:14 AM
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This isn’t a constructive response. Breeze needs pilots and the cavalier if you don’t like it go elsewhere argument doesn’t help.
If Breeze needs pilots they will pay market rates and have decent work rules. The problem is they currently are a financial train wreck. Avelo is right on the cusp of turning a profit with a low cash burn. Breeze needs to double ticket prices to break even. The question is can the Kneelman effect con investors into another round of equity investment.

“The climb out has not been without bumps, however. Airline industry news website Enilria.com pored over Breeze’s Transportation Department filings, and its report did not paint a pretty financial picture. Enilria says the filings show a negative 110% margin with a $37.9 million loss on $34.5 million revenues and $72.3 million in expenses in the third quarter of 2022.

“The revenue is staggeringly low,” Enilria wrties. “It cost Breeze $2.10 in expenses for every $1 of revenue. They have an Everest-sized mountain to climb by comparison, based on their own financial reporting.” Enilria also notes that “Breeze’s fuel bill alone has used up 60% of all their revenue in [the first three quarters of] 2022.”
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Old 03-09-2023, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
If Breeze needs pilots they will pay market rates and have decent work rules. The problem is they currently are a financial train wreck. Avelo is right on the cusp of turning a profit with a low cash burn. Breeze needs to double ticket prices to break even. The question is can the Kneelman effect con investors into another round of equity investment.

“The climb out has not been without bumps, however. Airline industry news website Enilria.com pored over Breeze’s Transportation Department filings, and its report did not paint a pretty financial picture. Enilria says the filings show a negative 110% margin with a $37.9 million loss on $34.5 million revenues and $72.3 million in expenses in the third quarter of 2022.

“The revenue is staggeringly low,” Enilria wrties. “It cost Breeze $2.10 in expenses for every $1 of revenue. They have an Everest-sized mountain to climb by comparison, based on their own financial reporting.” Enilria also notes that “Breeze’s fuel bill alone has used up 60% of all their revenue in [the first three quarters of] 2022.”
That article does not represent an accurate picture of the actual financials. It does paint a picture of the financials at that time last year where the dynamics were very different for the operation. Those numbers are based on having pilots waiting on A220s not flying, and other very important factors which are pointless to get into. If you’re really concerned about breeze, all you need to know is that they told us we should be profitable by the end of the year and definitely by next year.
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Old 03-09-2023, 10:28 AM
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That article does not represent an accurate picture of the actual financials. It does paint a picture of the financials at that time last year where the dynamics were very different for the operation. Those numbers are based on having pilots waiting on A220s not flying, and other very important factors which are pointless to get into. If you’re really concerned about breeze, all you need to know is that they told us we should be profitable by the end of the year and definitely by next year.
I have never heard a management team say anything else. Breeze has missed every single prediction they have made.
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Old 03-09-2023, 04:00 PM
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I have never heard a management team say anything else. Breeze has missed every single prediction they have made.
IKR, what manager has ever said: "suggest you get your apps out, this place is a mess". It's always rainbows with pots of gold within reach, until it starts raining.....
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