ULCC or American?
02-24-2020 | 07:15 AM
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02-24-2020 | 12:57 PM
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From: Semi-Retired...
Probably one of the most inaccurate arguments I have ever heard, and it's surprising how much mainline pilots blindly believe it. The disparity is often more than 100%.
First year CA pay on the A319 (128 seats): $255/hour = $2 per seat
First year CA pay on the E175 (76 seats): $76/hour = $1 per seat
Run that "Proportionate" math by me one more time. It gets even more ridiculous if you compare FO seats and higher productivity of regional pilots.
Regional pilot subsidize mainline pilot wages. It's a Ponzi scheme.
First year CA pay on the A319 (128 seats): $255/hour = $2 per seat
First year CA pay on the E175 (76 seats): $76/hour = $1 per seat
Run that "Proportionate" math by me one more time. It gets even more ridiculous if you compare FO seats and higher productivity of regional pilots.
Regional pilot subsidize mainline pilot wages. It's a Ponzi scheme.
$86 / 50 seats = $1.72 per seat.
Thats what I made back in the day to fly the E145. Most are getting over $100 now. Further, I flew the 37 seat version making my per seat $2.32.
Then factor in they paid us 200% on open time. So I was getting $4.64 per seat.
We all can play math games....
03-12-2020 | 09:47 AM
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Depending on the rebound, this seems like a prime time for the legacy airlines to snuff out competition. Both ULCCs will tell you they are designed to compete in tough economic conditions, but I don’t think we’ve seen a situation where demand falls AND the price of fuel falls. CASM is going to drop like a rock at the legacy airlines, while having a war chest of cash and the ability to park paid off aircraft. You combine that with the retirements effectively taking care of workforce reduction, the ULCC’s may actually be in trouble.
Being at an ULCC, I am a little more than alarmed at this point.
Being at an ULCC, I am a little more than alarmed at this point.
03-12-2020 | 09:54 AM
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Depending on the rebound, this seems like a prime time for the legacy airlines to snuff out competition. Both ULCCs will tell you they are designed to compete in tough economic conditions, but I don’t think we’ve seen a situation where demand falls AND the price of fuel falls. CASM is going to drop like a rock at the legacy airlines, while having a war chest of cash and the ability to park paid off aircraft. You combine that with the retirements effectively taking care of workforce reduction, the ULCC’s may actually be in trouble.
Being at an ULCC, I am a little more than alarmed at this point.
Being at an ULCC, I am a little more than alarmed at this point.
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