This is simple, Those of us who took jobs at regionals did so at industry standard wages low that they may be. To play we had to take a job period. The key here is industry standard. The problem I have is those (some of whom have "12,000" hours) who further lower the bar driving pay back 50 years of hard fought progresson.

Because we did not quit our regional jobs when mainline relaxed scope you compare us to pilots taking pay back fifty years. Im not buying it.

 

My point, and one which I wish you could see, it that what you see as "standard wages" is substandard to those who came before you in the same way that you see Skybus and VA wages as substandard. My disagreement with your point of view comes from your attitude that you are so much better than those flying for Skybus because you remember what your predecessors did. What your predecessors actually did was watch their flying trickle away to companies like Skywest.

Some could say that Skywest has harmed the profession much more than Skybus and VA. After all, when a passenger gets on Skybus and VA it is because their low fares attract them. When a passenger gets on your aircraft it is because Delta awarded Skywest a route that likely once belonged to a mainline flight.

You say 'dont blame me, blame those who relaxed scope'. Using the same logic you cant blame the pilots who go to Skybus/VA you should blame those who deregulated the industry. You still chose to accept/keep a job paying wages far below the previous standard, thereby further lowering the standard.

Dont get me wrong, I wish the best for you in your career. Skywest is a 'good' regional, just get off your high horse of thinking you are so much better than the folks flying a Skybus A319, because in the grand scheme of things your airline has changed the pilot career much more than theirs has, and you are a part of that change. Go ask one of the mainline guys who used to fly a Skywest CRJ900 route who took pay back 50 years, dont be too surprised if their answer isnt 'Skybus".

 

I along with half the guys on this thread would love to hear your double standard excuse how you feel you did not lower the bar by accepting pay below what is rightfully deserved for the work performed versus the guys at VA or Skybus.

 

I think it would be helpful to post these lists if you can get your hands on them.

BTW, there used to be a site that listed all the names of GoJet pilots. I can't find it right now. Something like gojetpilots.com or something like that. If you find it, would you please let me know.

 

Bla bla bla,
When I got to SLC in 1987 with Delta we had roughly 900 pilots in that base. When I left 12 years later, we had 600 and still shrinking entirely due to the fact that Skywest was flying mainline routes with rjs. You can blame management all you want, it actually helped them into bankrutcy, they love rjs. With a casm of 12 to 14 cents it always will be a money losing proposition. Ask the guys at IFLY how well it worked for them to try to make money without a legacy supplimenting their bottom lines.
The long and the short, you are only worth what a company will pay. You can't compare startup companies with established ones. If you have spent any time in the business world you would know this. Things will change at VA, skybus and the like because this companies are going to make money and lots of it. Read the histories of swa, fedex, ups and see what payscales were like when these companies started. In 1986 I turned down jobs at fed ex, ups and didnt even waste my time with swa because the pay was so low. Things change, times change. Educate yourself on things that have happened in the past and you won't sound so stupid in the future.

 

Ok I see where you all are coming from, but I would not be in the industry if I had not taken a job at a regional. I could sit on the sidelines all day waiting for rj pay to increase to mainline pay or I could take a job at a regional and work to bring pay and quality of life back.

I think the difference here is starting vs. a new start. You want an airline job you have to fly at a regional first, with few exceptions for high time military pilots. Now If I had gone and applied to gojets knowing they are an alter ego airline used to bust a union contract that would be an entirely different story.

So what’s the big deal in posting a list of all airline pilots? I would gladly put my name under skyw; guess I would fall into the regional pilot scab type category with the thousands of other guys who work for regionals.

 

What you cannot or will not see is that you can't chastise one set of pilots for working at Skybus or VA while at the same time praising yourself for taking a lower paying job just so you can work to make things better.

As for your list of all airline pilots, a careful review of the initial post will show that you are/were only interested in a list of pilots working for carriers that you think are damaging the profession.

If a Delta guy came on here and started asking about putting together a list of all the Skywest 700/900 pilots for employers to use to see who flew mainline routes for RJ wages would you gladly offer up your name or would you object to the very idea?

 

Sure, when I apply to dal they will see the info anyway. If dal or any other mainline discriminates against hiring regionals because of relaxed scope then they are going to have a very hard time finding pilots.

True on the initial post I mentioned only a few airlines, but obviously if you were to post a list; to avoid slander lawsuits you would have to post all airlines.

I never "praised" my self. I took an industry standard job (industry standard pay, not 1/3-1/2 less than industry standard in hopes of seniority), and am doing my best to bring back what was lost. This is gettin old.

 

Nazi Germany got old too.

 

How long did you fly the CRJ 700/900 for 50 seat wages?