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Old 12-30-2021, 02:00 AM
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What if we had specially trained air traffic controllers in each airplane, two in the cockpit just in case one of the controllers makes a mistake or has a medical issue? The flight attendants can make all their requests directly to these two controllers and there will never be an issue with clogging up frequencies. This controllers can set up the autoland for runway 31 at LGA.
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO View Post
If Congress doesn’t drop the 1500 rule, which I think they will, then the airlines are going to just have Congress approve single pilot 121 operations on planes that have automation (aka autoland). Worst case scenario if something happens to the pilot, ATC can tell the F/A how to program the autoland. End of story. Pilot shortage resolved.
Yeah that's clearly the only solution. There aren't more painless to achieve things like sponsored training, easier access to affordable financing or improved wages and working conditions to lure the THOUSANDS of pilots who left back into the career. Certainly and extra year of experience before getting into a 121 jet is just too hard..

Also, it isn't a 1500 rule. It's 750/1000/1200/1500.
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Old 12-30-2021, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO View Post
If Congress doesn’t drop the 1500 rule, which I think they will, then the airlines are going to just have Congress approve single pilot 121 operations on planes that have automation (aka autoland). Worst case scenario if something happens to the pilot, ATC can tell the F/A how to program the autoland. End of story. Pilot shortage resolved.

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Old 12-30-2021, 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt View Post
Insurance liability. Senility can be hard to spot.
^^^ This.

Try getting some quotes for GA planes and you being older than 65. Then try 70.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 View Post
^^^ This.

Try getting some quotes for GA planes and you being older than 65. Then try 70.
Well I would guess Basic Med versus an actual medical comes into play here.
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Old 12-30-2021, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by aeroengineer View Post
Well I would guess Basic Med versus an actual medical comes into play here.
Class 1 medical does next to nothing to check out the mental ability of a pilot. I’m sorry but flying with a guy over 60 is always an adventure. You never know what they are going to forget next.

Really a cockpit with a 60-65 year old really works as the younger guy babysitting the the 60+ guy for a few days and making sure they cover everything the AARP member forgets.
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO View Post
They will learn in their training classes and then in recurrent too. But yep this is the fix (airline management will try) if they cannot get rid of the 1500 rule. (I am not saying I support this, I am just saying this is the next step they will push for, if they have to go that far).
This isn't a bad 70s flick, dude. What you're proposing isn't just implausible, it's impossible. ATC has enough on their plate without having to be trained to walk a F/A through how to even change radio frequencies on each aircraft type, much less how to operate the automation and aircraft sufficient to land the aircraft. Likewise, each F/A would need simulator training on each aircraft type on how to operate the aircraft to autoland, including recurrent training. That's assuming none of the automation is MEL'd and there is a suitable divert field in range at all times. All this to eliminate a pilot from certificated two pilot aircraft in part 121 passenger operations. Just a walk in the park, right? I get that you're a CFI and therefore think yourself knowledgeable of all things aviation, but you don't know what you're talking about. That's putting it mildly.
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Originally Posted by aeroengineer View Post
Well I would guess Basic Med versus an actual medical comes into play here.
Your guess would be wrong.
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Originally Posted by aeroengineer View Post
Well I would guess Basic Med versus an actual medical comes into play here.

Irrelevant as far as insurance goes. Age is the limfac
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan View Post
Sounds like some people here want FOs to be the equivalent of vo-tech graduates. Anybody who passes a drug test can be a pilot in just a few short months...

That'll put the pattern bargaining ball back in managements court for a generation.
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Amen. Any professional pilot that is against the 1500 rule should have their head examined. Like….seriously.
Yep.

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