WSJ attacks 1500 hour rule causing pilot shor
12-30-2021, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
^^^ This.
Try getting some quotes for GA planes and you being older than 65. Then try 70.
Try getting some quotes for GA planes and you being older than 65. Then try 70.
Originally Posted by aeroengineer
Well I would guess Basic Med versus an actual medical comes into play here.
I won't really go into the age 67/it's discrimination argument, but this insurance thing is real. Chatting with my broker last year, they said it's gone crazy for the over 65 crowd...pretty much prohibitive for most.
12-30-2021, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
I won't really go into the age 67/it's discrimination argument, but this insurance thing is real. Chatting with my broker last year, they said it's gone crazy for the over 65 crowd...pretty much prohibitive for most.
12-30-2021, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by aeroengineer
I'll try to clarify. If I'm an actuary doing risk assessment for GA only then I realize that these 65-70 plus year olds are getting little to no oversight especially if they're flying on Basic Med. Not to mention no skills check beyond a BFR. So yep I'm sure rates are insane and more than a few are flying without insurance as a result.
12-30-2021, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Comparing GA to airlines is irrelevant since GA has no mandatory retirement age, and 99% of the time GA don't fly as much as airline pilots (less proficient).
12-30-2021, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Comparing GA to airlines is irrelevant since GA has no mandatory retirement age, and 99% of the time GA don't fly as much as airline pilots (less proficient).
12-30-2021, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by terks43
Class 1 medical does next to nothing to check out the mental ability of a pilot. I’m sorry but flying with a guy over 60 is always an adventure. You never know what they are going to forget next.
Really a cockpit with a 60-65 year old really works as the younger guy babysitting the the 60+ guy for a few days and making sure they cover everything the AARP member forgets.
Really a cockpit with a 60-65 year old really works as the younger guy babysitting the the 60+ guy for a few days and making sure they cover everything the AARP member forgets.
Hypothetically let’s say that’s true. Also,
Really a cockpit with a 20-25 year old really works as the older guy babysitting the the under 30 guy for a few days and making sure they cover everything the TikTok influencer hasn’t ever seen before.
Im right in the middle and seen both sides of that. My point was….. statistically the most accident prone are both early and and late in career. But, the airlines are only looking to expand one side of that spectrum. I’d take a well vetted (medically and otherwise), experienced, professional 70 yr old over most 22 yr old 500 hr pilots any day….. if I gotta babysit.
Bottom line lot cheaper to lower the bar, than add an extra hoop or two and raise man retirement age. The cost comparison isn’t in the same universe
12-30-2021, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
No, but you could make a rational comparison between 91K operators and the 121. No age limit on 91K and they certainly fly a ton with long days.
How we got off of the issue of Class 1 medicals and GA flying is beyond me.
Besides, if you wanna change the medical requirements for flying 121 beyond 65, that’s not any different than lowering the flight time requirement….. except for how much a 66 yr old will cost an airline vs a 22 50 hr pilot will cost an airline
12-30-2021, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
They will learn in their training classes and then in recurrent too. But yep this is the fix (airline management will try) if they cannot get rid of the 1500 rule. (I am not saying I support this, I am just saying this is the next step they will push for, if they have to go that far).
You might want to learn to keep your mouth shut in your new-hire class.
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12-30-2021, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by emersonbiguns
LOL, obviously you have no clue about a FMGS, FCU, autopilot on a modern airliner.
You might want to learn to keep your mouth shut in your new-hire class.
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You might want to learn to keep your mouth shut in your new-hire class.
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12-30-2021, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO
If Congress doesn’t drop the 1500 rule, which I think they will, then the airlines are going to just have Congress approve single pilot 121 operations on planes that have automation (aka autoland). Worst case scenario if something happens to the pilot, ATC can tell the F/A how to program the autoland. End of story. Pilot shortage resolved.
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