Okay, thats's fine, I admit I was wrong, but what you missed in your quest to always be the smartest guy in the room is that THE FAA FOLLOWED ICAO that time. That's not happening this time. Yuge difference.

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Right up until they flip flop. When ALPA sees the winds of politics going against them, they will change their position and support it like they always do. Capital A ALPA is nothing but a political lobbying organization. The "union" is the MEC/LEC.

 

So all the pilots that are almost 65……do you not understand that there are plenty of flying jobs out there after your 121 life. Or are you all admitting that you are harder to train and can’t learn a new aircraft or operate in the 91/135 world?

Also, if you haven’t financially set yourself up to make it to 67 for SS……..you should speak to a financial advisor. It’s not the junior pilot’s responsibility to sacrifice their career movement because of the 6 times divorced, 8 kids, an airplane, a boat, and multiple house (which you can’t afford without that WB CA pay or crediting 150 hours a month of premium NB CA pay).

Or after 65, you should be moved to the bottom of the seniority list as a NB FO to help the new generation of pilots develop.

 

They quietly went along with and did not publicly oppose the mask mandate when on a daily basis it was causing major problems for the membership.

I was given the reason bc they were banking political good will for something more important. I would say when you take a side in the early innings of even a possible change then it’s being viewed as important to the association and the membership at large. I don’t see them changing sides and the mask BS for two years better have bought us some capital.

 

RJ FO (keep the last category of pay and continue to accrue longevity)w all RJs brought to the mainline operating certificate with all pilots on the mainline CBA.

Or better become an instructor at an airline owned academy with last category of pay held and continue to accrue longevity

 

Netjets is claiming 200k first year and if you are one of those genetic freaks that still has the heart and mind if a 25 year old at age 65 you could continue to work well into your 80's. It's a win/win. Just need to get the word out. Plus the flying is way more challenging and can keep your brain sharper. Way better than doing sudoku. Easily an extra 15 years of doing what you love.

 

Exactly right! You don’t even have to fly one of those things with propellers on them!

 

Get real. It's obviously a lot easier for them to just keep their current cushy gigs, high compensation, senior schedules, lots of vacay, etc. If somebody actually *wants* to work past 65 it's a no-brainer to keep your airline gig, if possible.

It's not going to be the junior pilots "responsibility". Or their choice. It's also not the senior pilot's choice or responsibility. The Gov is going to make the call for us and we're just along for the ride. Why argue about it?

If the age is increased it's ludicrous to expect an old pilot to end their career early for the express purpose of advancing the careers of younger pilots. Who actually live in an era of absolutely unprecedented career opportunity anyway. I'd save your breath on that. If it passes, the old guys will make a decision that's in THEIR best interest.

Tilting at windmills. The law will not address trivialities such as union seniority lists

IIRC, last time the law did specify that pilots who had reached 60 PRIOR to the effective date of the law would NOT be entitled to come back to their previous seniority. So there's that. Those that are already retired will stay that way, unless they hypothetically start over at the bottom.

 

My comment stands. It is my opinion.

 

Because they are weak and do not actually care about the membership's concerns.

 

While I agree it would be ridiculous to expect one person to sacrifice for another…that “era of absolutely unprecedented career opportunity” ONLY exists due to mandatory airline retirements.