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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
he was not saying every pilot at DL makes that.
I never claimed he said that.

Still wondering how many of the 13,000ish pilots are in that situation?
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
Still wondering how many of the 13,000ish pilots are in that situation?
I’d heard that 5 pilots made a mil in 2019. Out of ~14,400.

No idea how many made over 600k, but my completely uninformed guess is that it’s less than a thousand.

Hopefully someone more informed chimes in.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
same question........Sounds dreamy, but how many of the 13,000ish pilots are in that situation?
No in typical pilot fashion they all claim to "know a guy doing it" and try to imply anyone can do it but in fact your chances of lining everything up and pulling that off are about 5 in... oh 13,500.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:29 AM
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Can we get back to the main problem. He said it was okay the pay rates were lower because of all those contract gains we had.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Can we get back to the main problem. He said it was okay the pay rates were lower because of all those contract gains we had.
Sailingfun? Go troll the Delta forums. He's management lackey #1. Just laugh at his BS and move on like they all do over in widget land.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Sailingfun? Go troll the Delta forums. He's management lackey #1. Just laugh at his BS and move on like they all do over in widget land.
What gets me is the other accounts chiming in that agree with him or validate his posts. I know there aren’t many pilots at D that could possible agree with him on so many things. It seems management has an operation here on APC to try to sway pilot opinion.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
No in typical pilot fashion they all claim to "know a guy doing it" and try to imply anyone can do it but in fact your chances of lining everything up and pulling that off are about 5 in... oh 13,500.
I certainly implied no such thing. You obviously have to be a WB CA, and most likely need some seniority to game the system to that degree. So maybe 30-50% of WB CA's are in a position to do it.

For the $1M+ threshold, it could quite plausibly be limited to a number you can count on both or even one hand.

$600K? One thousand sounds plausible.

Nobody is saying new hire FO's can do that. Only saying that it can be done, which is fact.

It's also possible to get 8 weeks off with vacay + bidding, but that also requires seniority.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian
Can we get back to the main problem. He said it was okay the pay rates were lower because of all those contract gains we had.
No, I said that soft money due to work rule changes counts and it does. Would you rather get 300 an hour and net 300,000 or fly the same schedule getting 250 an hour but net 320,000? The answer is easy. As to the question about 600,000 lots of senior CA’s are making that and if you drop the number to 500,000 the number goes way up including narrow body captains. The original question was a comparison of widebody Captain pay. One other point, most pilots when asked what they made in a year quote their W2. They don’t add back in their contributions to their HSA, 401K and 401 catch-up if applicable.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Sailingfun? Go troll the Delta forums. He's management lackey #1. Just laugh at his BS and move on like they all do over in widget land.
While ago asked a question about commuting at JB. Their policy apparently requires them to look at weather and traffic. Big D chimes in they have to look at load factor. I replied with a copy/pasta of our policy. Reply was:"Well, it doesn't sound like you are making a concerted effort to get to work!". Really? I am making an effort to follow the contract, just like the other side does.
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Old 06-04-2022 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
No, I said that soft money due to work rule changes counts and it does. Would you rather get 300 an hour and net 300,000 or fly the same schedule getting 250 an hour but net 320,000? The answer is easy. As to the question about 600,000 lots of senior CA’s are making that and if you drop the number to 500,000 the number goes way up including narrow body captains. The original question was a comparison of widebody Captain pay.
You implied your contract is now so much better than a few decades ago that everyone makes about 50% to 100% more credit hours. That is BS
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