CCW is trained? More than HALF the states are now constitutional carry with ZERO requirements of any training.

I’m in CA, have a CCW, has to be renewed every 2 years. We have a 16 hr initial training and 8 hr for renewal. And even that is a joke. The idea you can just strap on a gun and go carry without training in more than half the states in this country, is crazy. Insane, actually.

So you can’t have it both ways.


And you are incorrect, because it depends on the state. You don’t have to immediately disclose you are a CCW during a LE stop, depending on the state. MN is where you are not legally required to disclose at LE stop. If they ask, you have to disclose. No one asked him.

 

Just read the last 5 pages on this thread and came to the conclusion you live in some weird echo chamber. Been here since the 2nd grade and you managed to be pro-violent regime, refuse to educate yourself on what the Iranian people actually want (see Fang’s comment), and equate to the unfortunate events in the US to draw parallels to actual political violence/just a step below genocide by a government.

The bolded and underlined sentence only highlights the 2nd amendment. Constitutional carry means that it’s a right and not a privilege. Hence why there’s so much lack of education or training (I do advocate for training however I don’t advocate for it to be a requirement. Yes, I have my CCW. Yes, I carry. Yes, I live in a constitutional carry state). If you hate it so much or how this nation goes about guns, you can leave. It’s that simple.

The death of Charlie Kirk is sad. Though he wasn’t a politician, the assassination was politically motivated. He was hated because of his Christian views and his leadership and influence for the conservative movement.

There’s been 2 or 3 assassination attempts on Trump’s life as well. To say that there’s no political violence and no political violence from the Left is so disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

The Iranian people are great. The regime? Awful. You advocating for the nuclear armament of Iran is crazy. A literal financier of terrorism and arming them with nukes would solve the issue? Crazy.

No, I don’t like AIPAC. No, I don’t like the influence Israel has on the US. No, I wasn’t for the war, but we’re here. If you’re gonna do something, do it right. Which includes ending the war and keeping nukes out of Iranian hands. No, I wasn’t for Jan. 6. and what it represented. <— Just in case you mistake me for someone who supports one of these points listed.

But knowing you, you’ll switch it up and move the goalpost here too.

Fang’s right, this is a waste of time

 

Just the facts, huh? Bush Sr. did not start the Gulf War... Saddam Hussein did when he invaded Kuwait. Did you completely forget Somalia? How about Bosnia? How about the 1998 airstrikes in Iraq (Operation Desert Fox)? How about Operation Allied Force and the bombing of Yugoslavia? All executed under Bill Clinton. Did you also conveniently forget who launched the 2011 intervention in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi (who actually voluntarily gave up his nuclear weapon program), or expanded drone warfare globally to include countless strikes in your native country? That was Barack Obama.

Furthermore, your attempt to blame a single party completely ignores how the American legislative system actually works. The Iraq War AUMF passed with the overwhelming support of high-profile Democrats... think Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. The post-9/11 Afghanistan AUMF passed nearly unanimously, with only a single dissenting vote in the entire Congress. Global security and regional containment are institutional, bipartisan realities, not partisan theater.

Your claim that Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq were "just war" because you disliked the initial 2003 invasion is a complete distortion of history. The United States was engaged in stabilizing a sovereign nation, fighting a brutal internal insurgency, and dismantling transnational terror groups like Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The US was not at war with Iran. Iran was never a combatant in that conflict. Instead, the regime chose to act as a covert, unprovoked aggressor. They weaponized a sovereign border to smuggle EFP's to maximize American body counts. This was not a weapon built by desperate insurgents. By dismissing the state-sponsored slaughter of 603 troops as a natural reaction to a "stupid war," you aren't providing a historical analysis. You are explicitly normalizing a hostile foreign dictatorship launching cross-border proxy attacks against American troops. It is an outright defense of state-sponsored terrorism.

I'll be even more blunt... your position is born of either staggering gullibility or deliberate malice. To view the IRGC’s decades of calculated proxy slaughter as mere "fighting back" requires a level of naivety that is terrifying, or it is outright terrorist sympathizing. There is no third option. When you continuously excuse the targeted murder of our troops and make excuses for a regime that actively manufactures weapons to kill Americans, and also happens to gun down tens of thousands of their own citizens who oppose the regime, you are literally operating as a terrorist sympathizer on this forum.

If you genuinely believe your own arguments, you are acting as a useful idiot for a theocracy that has no qualms about gunning down their own citizens who disagree with them. If you don't believe them, then you are willfully carrying water for a terrorist state while reaping the immense economic privileges of the very country you claim to love. Like I said... you're either extremely naive, or sinister and malevolent.

Lastly, know your audience. I'm also a naturalized citizen. I know exactly what it means to choose this country and swear an oath to it, but unlike you, I don't use my free speech to carry water for foreign terrorists who chant "Death to America." The First Amendment protects your right to post anti-American BS without the government arresting you. It does not protect your blatant anti-Americanism from being challenged, exposed, and dismantled by fellow citizens using hard facts. Free speech goes both ways. You are entirely free to speak your mind, and we are entirely free to call out your blatant double standards, your historical ignorance, and your total lack of consistency.

 

Kuwait is not the United States.

Skirmishes, with limited amount of U.S. soldiers involved. Not wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran.



Yes. Correct. But again, not wars. Just as I didn’t say the U.S. launched a war against Venezuela when Trump removed Maduro.


Yes, the rare moment of unity we had post 9/11. Still was an ill-thought out war. We wanted to attack someone, that ended up being Iraq and Afghanistan. Not that we are any safer today. 20 yrs in Afghanistan and today it’s still the Taliban in power. You have any commentary on the U.S. soldier lives sacrificed and wasted over 20 yrs in Afghanistan, now that we have Taliban there still?


Oh so it was out of benevolence we started the Iraq war?

They were militia who were dealt with and mostly eliminated. I don’t like it when any U.S. soldiers die. The WH estimate is 600 out of over 4,000 dead were Iran backed militias. My point is, it was dealt with when those militias were taken out. Or go attack Iran when our troops were being actively harmed. Not 20 yrs later under 5 different named reasons as to why we attacked Iran on Feb 28 and started this new war.


Or you could just leave the ME alone. Like what most of the world chooses to do. Weird how others don’t seem to be struggling or losing soldiers to any militant proxies in any ME country. Israel’s security should cost 0 US soldier lives.



No one cared about Rhongiya’s genocide or Chinese crack downs of the Uighur people. Thousands were slaughtered and we didn’t nothing. My view is a simple one. No more new wars, yet another ME war, breeding future terrorists, and starting a war after “obliterating” their nuclear facilities - any suggestions otherwise are fake news - the same WH source that gave you the 603 killed number.



My audience here is the one calling for nuclear bombardment to “get it over with.” Or more bombing to create future terrorists, so our kids generations can one day face yet another 9/11 type attack here. No thank you. I don’t want a part in which we help breed tomorrow’s terrorists.


It is NOT anti-Americanism to question and call out actions that the current administration is taking. To suggest so - especially as a naturalized citizen yourself - is shocking.

 

Sorry but 100,000+ dead during the Bosnian war is hardly a skirmish.

 

No it certainly wasn’t. Looking back,a mere portend of today’s atrocities. Americans by and large do not begin to grasp the ethnic ferocity driving ages deep bloodshed in Iran, Gaza, Lebanon, Ukraine. None of it can be resolved by 20 yo US peace officers patrolling in camo fatigues.

 

It was those 20 year old US peace officers who prevented the Serbs from finishing the "job"

 

If one gets a chance to visit Cambodia and Angkor Wat.... I suggest at trip to Phnom Penh and go see the "killing fields" , Choeung Ek, and the museum in the city{Tuol Sleng(S21). Very sobering . Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge massacred between 1.5 - 3 million people, about 25% of the population. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge were supported for many years by the Chinese Communist Party, led by Mao Zedong; it is estimated that at least 90% of the foreign aid which the Khmer Rouge received came from China, including at least US $1 billion in interest-free economic and military aid in 1975 in an attempt to turn Cambodia into a socialist republic. That was only 45 years ago.

Also went to Dachau concentration camp outside Munich. Did it on a layover and then took family. It's important to learn that throughout history...man's inhumanity to man never ceases. Sometimes, somebody needs to step in. If not the UN ...then who? "I don't know man, it's not our job"?

With all the atrocities, does one think it's prudent to let Iran get nukes? It's usually easier to stop something before it grows and metastasizes..

 

[mod input] all right, folks, let’s get this back on the rails (and yes, that applies somewhat to me too).

Keep the discussion to impacts of the Iran conflict/war on the airline industry, please. No more Jan 6, MSP weapons/2A, or other rabbit trails, all of which devolve into partisan mudslinging.

 

Who remain deployed. Bombing took the Serbs down. And it’s still not over.