Economic Impacts of Iran War
05-14-2026 | 05:57 AM
#1951
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[mod input] all right, folks, let’s get this back on the rails (and yes, that applies somewhat to me too).
Keep the discussion to impacts of the Iran conflict/war on the airline industry, please. No more Jan 6, MSP weapons/2A, or other rabbit trails, all of which devolve into partisan mudslinging.
Keep the discussion to impacts of the Iran conflict/war on the airline industry, please. No more Jan 6, MSP weapons/2A, or other rabbit trails, all of which devolve into partisan mudslinging.
05-14-2026 | 07:05 AM
#1954
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It is truly difficult to have an intelligent debate with someone whose worldview is this hyper-partisan, historically and politically illiterate, and thoroughly brainwashed. Your arguments throughout this thread have repeatedly relied on selective memory, personal deflections, and an open denial of official historical records. Simply put, you are completely unmoored from reality.
Seriously... look at your childish posts. On one hand, it's cute how you want world peace, as if everyone holding hands would suddenly end global conflict. But when you spout dangerous nonsense about "leaving alone" a regime that has been the largest sponsor of terror for damn near 5 decades... the same regime that deliberately targets civilian populations and infrastructures throughout the region, guns down tens of thousands of its own citizens, and actively strangles international waterways... it is impossible to take you seriously.
You seriously appear as if you’ve never taken a single history class, and your entire narrative looks like a collection of far-left memes completely disconnected from reality. Talk about illiteracy, ignorance, if not downright stupidity. Once again, it's only because you're choosing to allow yourself to get brainwashed by hyper-partisan anger, rage, and fear-porn echo chambers as opposed to critically thinking for yourself and studying history.
Want a really small and verifiable example of just how dumb and historically and politically illiterate you come across? You may have to step out of your echo chamber, but try and compare Operation Allied Force and Operation Epic Fury and see what you come up with. Remember, in your world, Allied Force was just a "skirmish" while Epic Fury is a war!
Lastly, no one is trying to take away your right to criticize the current administration. However, there is a vast difference between policy criticism and your continuous, systematic defense of a terror regime. You hide behind the First Amendment to carry water for a hostile theocracy that chants "Death to America." You aren't even on the side of the Iranian people, who were literally celebrating American and Israeli bombs falling on the regime that oppresses them and guns them down for daring to... shall we say... criticize their government.
That's how you should know that you're on the wrong side of this debate. Whether you choose to admit it or not, we both know your entire stance is only because Trump is the one spearheading it. You are literally incapable of supporting anything Trump does because you're brainwashed and incapable of thinking beyond hyper-partisan nonsense. And that's the difference between you and I. Had Biden or Obama done this, I would have been behind them 200%. Instead, we got the famous "Don't." And that really projected strength in MENA, didn't it? Kinda like the "red line" did in Syria, or "it depends if it's a minor incursion..." in Ukraine.
Seriously... look at your childish posts. On one hand, it's cute how you want world peace, as if everyone holding hands would suddenly end global conflict. But when you spout dangerous nonsense about "leaving alone" a regime that has been the largest sponsor of terror for damn near 5 decades... the same regime that deliberately targets civilian populations and infrastructures throughout the region, guns down tens of thousands of its own citizens, and actively strangles international waterways... it is impossible to take you seriously.
You seriously appear as if you’ve never taken a single history class, and your entire narrative looks like a collection of far-left memes completely disconnected from reality. Talk about illiteracy, ignorance, if not downright stupidity. Once again, it's only because you're choosing to allow yourself to get brainwashed by hyper-partisan anger, rage, and fear-porn echo chambers as opposed to critically thinking for yourself and studying history.
Want a really small and verifiable example of just how dumb and historically and politically illiterate you come across? You may have to step out of your echo chamber, but try and compare Operation Allied Force and Operation Epic Fury and see what you come up with. Remember, in your world, Allied Force was just a "skirmish" while Epic Fury is a war!
Lastly, no one is trying to take away your right to criticize the current administration. However, there is a vast difference between policy criticism and your continuous, systematic defense of a terror regime. You hide behind the First Amendment to carry water for a hostile theocracy that chants "Death to America." You aren't even on the side of the Iranian people, who were literally celebrating American and Israeli bombs falling on the regime that oppresses them and guns them down for daring to... shall we say... criticize their government.
That's how you should know that you're on the wrong side of this debate. Whether you choose to admit it or not, we both know your entire stance is only because Trump is the one spearheading it. You are literally incapable of supporting anything Trump does because you're brainwashed and incapable of thinking beyond hyper-partisan nonsense. And that's the difference between you and I. Had Biden or Obama done this, I would have been behind them 200%. Instead, we got the famous "Don't." And that really projected strength in MENA, didn't it? Kinda like the "red line" did in Syria, or "it depends if it's a minor incursion..." in Ukraine.
Kuwait is not the United States.
Skirmishes, with limited amount of U.S. soldiers involved. Not wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran.
Yes. Correct. But again, not wars. Just as I didn’t say the U.S. launched a war against Venezuela when Trump removed Maduro.
Yes, the rare moment of unity we had post 9/11. Still was an ill-thought out war. We wanted to attack someone, that ended up being Iraq and Afghanistan. Not that we are any safer today. 20 yrs in Afghanistan and today it’s still the Taliban in power. You have any commentary on the U.S. soldier lives sacrificed and wasted over 20 yrs in Afghanistan, now that we have Taliban there still?
Oh so it was out of benevolence we started the Iraq war?
They were militia who were dealt with and mostly eliminated. I don’t like it when any U.S. soldiers die. The WH estimate is 600 out of over 4,000 dead were Iran backed militias. My point is, it was dealt with when those militias were taken out. Or go attack Iran when our troops were being actively harmed. Not 20 yrs later under 5 different named reasons as to why we attacked Iran on Feb 28 and started this new war.
Or you could just leave the ME alone. Like what most of the world chooses to do. Weird how others don’t seem to be struggling or losing soldiers to any militant proxies in any ME country. Israel’s security should cost 0 US soldier lives.
No one cared about Rhongiya’s genocide or Chinese crack downs of the Uighur people. Thousands were slaughtered and we didn’t nothing. My view is a simple one. No more new wars, yet another ME war, breeding future terrorists, and starting a war after “obliterating” their nuclear facilities - any suggestions otherwise are fake news - the same WH source that gave you the 603 killed number.
My audience here is the one calling for nuclear bombardment to “get it over with.” Or more bombing to create future terrorists, so our kids generations can one day face yet another 9/11 type attack here. No thank you. I don’t want a part in which we help breed tomorrow’s terrorists.
It is NOT anti-Americanism to question and call out actions that the current administration is taking. To suggest so - especially as a naturalized citizen yourself - is shocking.
Skirmishes, with limited amount of U.S. soldiers involved. Not wars like Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran.
Yes. Correct. But again, not wars. Just as I didn’t say the U.S. launched a war against Venezuela when Trump removed Maduro.
Yes, the rare moment of unity we had post 9/11. Still was an ill-thought out war. We wanted to attack someone, that ended up being Iraq and Afghanistan. Not that we are any safer today. 20 yrs in Afghanistan and today it’s still the Taliban in power. You have any commentary on the U.S. soldier lives sacrificed and wasted over 20 yrs in Afghanistan, now that we have Taliban there still?
Oh so it was out of benevolence we started the Iraq war?
They were militia who were dealt with and mostly eliminated. I don’t like it when any U.S. soldiers die. The WH estimate is 600 out of over 4,000 dead were Iran backed militias. My point is, it was dealt with when those militias were taken out. Or go attack Iran when our troops were being actively harmed. Not 20 yrs later under 5 different named reasons as to why we attacked Iran on Feb 28 and started this new war.
Or you could just leave the ME alone. Like what most of the world chooses to do. Weird how others don’t seem to be struggling or losing soldiers to any militant proxies in any ME country. Israel’s security should cost 0 US soldier lives.
No one cared about Rhongiya’s genocide or Chinese crack downs of the Uighur people. Thousands were slaughtered and we didn’t nothing. My view is a simple one. No more new wars, yet another ME war, breeding future terrorists, and starting a war after “obliterating” their nuclear facilities - any suggestions otherwise are fake news - the same WH source that gave you the 603 killed number.
My audience here is the one calling for nuclear bombardment to “get it over with.” Or more bombing to create future terrorists, so our kids generations can one day face yet another 9/11 type attack here. No thank you. I don’t want a part in which we help breed tomorrow’s terrorists.
It is NOT anti-Americanism to question and call out actions that the current administration is taking. To suggest so - especially as a naturalized citizen yourself - is shocking.
05-14-2026 | 07:07 AM
#1955
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Dont forget that anyone not supporting this war is also a cowering weakling. Pretty ironic coming from civilians that never served tbh. This thread is s joke. You have completely partisan nutjobs spewing everything from objectively false data on covid, objectively false data on energy, and advocating nuclear weapons.. Times change on apc i guess
05-14-2026 | 07:21 AM
#1956
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Just the facts, huh? Bush Sr. did not start the Gulf War... Saddam Hussein did when he invaded Kuwait. Did you completely forget Somalia? How about Bosnia? How about the 1998 airstrikes in Iraq (Operation Desert Fox)? How about Operation Allied Force and the bombing of Yugoslavia? All executed under Bill Clinton. Did you also conveniently forget who launched the 2011 intervention in Libya to overthrow Gaddafi (who actually voluntarily gave up his nuclear weapon program), or expanded drone warfare globally to include countless strikes in your native country? That was Barack Obama.
Furthermore, your attempt to blame a single party completely ignores how the American legislative system actually works. The Iraq War AUMF passed with the overwhelming support of high-profile Democrats... think Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. The post-9/11 Afghanistan AUMF passed nearly unanimously, with only a single dissenting vote in the entire Congress. Global security and regional containment are institutional, bipartisan realities, not partisan theater.
Your claim that Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq were "just war" because you disliked the initial 2003 invasion is a complete distortion of history. The United States was engaged in stabilizing a sovereign nation, fighting a brutal internal insurgency, and dismantling transnational terror groups like Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The US was not at war with Iran. Iran was never a combatant in that conflict. Instead, the regime chose to act as a covert, unprovoked aggressor. They weaponized a sovereign border to smuggle EFP's to maximize American body counts. This was not a weapon built by desperate insurgents. By dismissing the state-sponsored slaughter of 603 troops as a natural reaction to a "stupid war," you aren't providing a historical analysis. You are explicitly normalizing a hostile foreign dictatorship launching cross-border proxy attacks against American troops. It is an outright defense of state-sponsored terrorism.
I'll be even more blunt... your position is born of either staggering gullibility or deliberate malice. To view the IRGC’s decades of calculated proxy slaughter as mere "fighting back" requires a level of naivety that is terrifying, or it is outright terrorist sympathizing. There is no third option. When you continuously excuse the targeted murder of our troops and make excuses for a regime that actively manufactures weapons to kill Americans, and also happens to gun down tens of thousands of their own citizens who oppose the regime, you are literally operating as a terrorist sympathizer on this forum.
If you genuinely believe your own arguments, you are acting as a useful idiot for a theocracy that has no qualms about gunning down their own citizens who disagree with them. If you don't believe them, then you are willfully carrying water for a terrorist state while reaping the immense economic privileges of the very country you claim to love. Like I said... you're either extremely naive, or sinister and malevolent.
Lastly, know your audience. I'm also a naturalized citizen. I know exactly what it means to choose this country and swear an oath to it, but unlike you, I don't use my free speech to carry water for foreign terrorists who chant "Death to America." The First Amendment protects your right to post anti-American BS without the government arresting you. It does not protect your blatant anti-Americanism from being challenged, exposed, and dismantled by fellow citizens using hard facts. Free speech goes both ways. You are entirely free to speak your mind, and we are entirely free to call out your blatant double standards, your historical ignorance, and your total lack of consistency.
Furthermore, your attempt to blame a single party completely ignores how the American legislative system actually works. The Iraq War AUMF passed with the overwhelming support of high-profile Democrats... think Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, and Chuck Schumer. The post-9/11 Afghanistan AUMF passed nearly unanimously, with only a single dissenting vote in the entire Congress. Global security and regional containment are institutional, bipartisan realities, not partisan theater.
Your claim that Iranian proxy attacks in Iraq were "just war" because you disliked the initial 2003 invasion is a complete distortion of history. The United States was engaged in stabilizing a sovereign nation, fighting a brutal internal insurgency, and dismantling transnational terror groups like Al-Qaeda in Iraq. The US was not at war with Iran. Iran was never a combatant in that conflict. Instead, the regime chose to act as a covert, unprovoked aggressor. They weaponized a sovereign border to smuggle EFP's to maximize American body counts. This was not a weapon built by desperate insurgents. By dismissing the state-sponsored slaughter of 603 troops as a natural reaction to a "stupid war," you aren't providing a historical analysis. You are explicitly normalizing a hostile foreign dictatorship launching cross-border proxy attacks against American troops. It is an outright defense of state-sponsored terrorism.
I'll be even more blunt... your position is born of either staggering gullibility or deliberate malice. To view the IRGC’s decades of calculated proxy slaughter as mere "fighting back" requires a level of naivety that is terrifying, or it is outright terrorist sympathizing. There is no third option. When you continuously excuse the targeted murder of our troops and make excuses for a regime that actively manufactures weapons to kill Americans, and also happens to gun down tens of thousands of their own citizens who oppose the regime, you are literally operating as a terrorist sympathizer on this forum.
If you genuinely believe your own arguments, you are acting as a useful idiot for a theocracy that has no qualms about gunning down their own citizens who disagree with them. If you don't believe them, then you are willfully carrying water for a terrorist state while reaping the immense economic privileges of the very country you claim to love. Like I said... you're either extremely naive, or sinister and malevolent.
Lastly, know your audience. I'm also a naturalized citizen. I know exactly what it means to choose this country and swear an oath to it, but unlike you, I don't use my free speech to carry water for foreign terrorists who chant "Death to America." The First Amendment protects your right to post anti-American BS without the government arresting you. It does not protect your blatant anti-Americanism from being challenged, exposed, and dismantled by fellow citizens using hard facts. Free speech goes both ways. You are entirely free to speak your mind, and we are entirely free to call out your blatant double standards, your historical ignorance, and your total lack of consistency.
05-14-2026 | 07:25 AM
#1957
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From: B737CA
You're free to question US policy, but when you openly carry water for a regime that's been exporting terrorism for damn near 5 decades, attacked and killed our service members anywhere they could, who most recently launched ballistic missiles at civilian centers and civilian infrastructures in Israel, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, the same regime that literally hangs or guns down tens of thousands of people who "question their government policy"... you're either a hyper-partisan buffoon, or you're indeed a bonafide terrorist sympathizer.
05-14-2026 | 10:52 AM
#1959
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Want a really small and verifiable example of just how dumb and historically and politically illiterate you come across? You may have to step out of your echo chamber, but try and compare Operation Allied Force and Operation Epic Fury and see what you come up with. Remember, in your world, Allied Force was just a "skirmish" while Epic Fury is a war!
Lastly, no one is trying to take away your right to criticize the current administration. However, there is a vast difference between policy criticism and your continuous, systematic defense of a terror regime. You hide behind the First Amendment to carry water for a hostile theocracy that chants "Death to America." You aren't even on the side of the Iranian people, who were literally celebrating American and Israeli bombs falling on the regime that oppresses them and guns them down for daring to... shall we say... criticize their government.
That's how you should know that you're on the wrong side of this debate. Whether you choose to admit it or not, we both know your entire stance is only because Trump is the one spearheading it. You are literally incapable of supporting anything Trump does because you're brainwashed and incapable of thinking beyond hyper-partisan nonsense. And that's the difference between you and I. Had Biden or Obama done this, I would have been behind them 200%. Instead, we got the famous "Don't." And that really projected strength in MENA, didn't it? Kinda like the "red line" did in Syria, or "it depends if it's a minor incursion..." in Ukraine.
This is entirely incorrect. And at the expense of embarrassing myself, I’ll share that of the past 3 elections in 2016, 2020, and 2024, I voted for Trump on two of those three occasions. So please leave the partisan stuff out. I don’t have TDS or whatever partisan nonsense is out there these days.
And to be fair, if Obama or Biden had done epic fury, my response would be exactly the same.
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