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04-02-2026 | 09:37 AM
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Go back and read the posts. When someone changes the cost index and you see it’s going to add 400 lbs more of fuel, do you express that in pounds or dollars? Do you know the price of fuel your airline was charged for at that airport? Do you know if your airline singed a fuel contract at a fixed price for that airport? Do you know if your airline gets a rebate at the end of the year? I just find it hard to believe that a pilot on here actually knows when another pilot made a $500 mistake. The price of fuel is too opaque to measure such a small amount.
04-03-2026 | 07:26 AM
#72
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Go back and read the posts. When someone changes the cost index and you see it’s going to add 400 lbs more of fuel, do you express that in pounds or dollars? Do you know the price of fuel your airline was charged for at that airport? Do you know if your airline singed a fuel contract at a fixed price for that airport? Do you know if your airline gets a rebate at the end of the year? I just find it hard to believe that a pilot on here actually knows when another pilot made a $500 mistake. The price of fuel is too opaque to measure such a small amount.
04-03-2026 | 07:41 AM
#73
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From: B737 Left Seat
If folks are so aware of the cost of fuel and how it affects the company (and operates as a fuel hawk person) then I expect them to operate as such in all aspects of their jobs or be called a hypocrite.
I will push up the thrust on legs where we can get back on time. An on time schedule is very important to the company, and sometimes the cost of a bit higher fuel burn to get back on schedule is worth it.
I assume then that you don’t drop the brake when the door closes—you do it only when you are ready to push. You single engine taxi at every opportunity. You don’t run the APU until the last minute. You don’t fly lower for a better ride because it will cost more gas. You probably want to be a check airman or chief pilot as well.
If so, own it.
I will push up the thrust on legs where we can get back on time. An on time schedule is very important to the company, and sometimes the cost of a bit higher fuel burn to get back on schedule is worth it.
I assume then that you don’t drop the brake when the door closes—you do it only when you are ready to push. You single engine taxi at every opportunity. You don’t run the APU until the last minute. You don’t fly lower for a better ride because it will cost more gas. You probably want to be a check airman or chief pilot as well.
If so, own it.
04-03-2026 | 02:37 PM
#74
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From: Window seat
Go back and read the posts. When someone changes the cost index and you see it’s going to add 400 lbs more of fuel, do you express that in pounds or dollars? Do you know the price of fuel your airline was charged for at that airport? Do you know if your airline singed a fuel contract at a fixed price for that airport? Do you know if your airline gets a rebate at the end of the year? I just find it hard to believe that a pilot on here actually knows when another pilot made a $500 mistake. The price of fuel is too opaque to measure such a small amount.
04-03-2026 | 05:16 PM
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Keyword is USED to. Fuel price change. You can't keep using that $0.30-$0.40/lbs anymore. Back when I actually paid for fuel, Delta had an average rate of $1.90 per gallon which falls right inline with your numbers. So, using your high end of $0.40/lbs, that means the OP was complaining about 200 lbs of fuel. That is within the margin of error of the FMS/fuel gauges.
04-03-2026 | 05:50 PM
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Keyword is USED to. Fuel price change. You can't keep using that $0.30-$0.40/lbs anymore. Back when I actually paid for fuel, Delta had an average rate of $1.90 per gallon which falls right inline with your numbers. So, using your high end of $0.40/lbs, that means the OP was complaining about 200 lbs of fuel. That is within the margin of error of the FMS/fuel gauges.
If folks are so aware of the cost of fuel and how it affects the company (and operates as a fuel hawk person) then I expect them to operate as such in all aspects of their jobs or be called a hypocrite.
I will push up the thrust on legs where we can get back on time. An on time schedule is very important to the company, and sometimes the cost of a bit higher fuel burn to get back on schedule is worth it.
I assume then that you don’t drop the brake when the door closes—you do it only when you are ready to push. You single engine taxi at every opportunity. You don’t run the APU until the last minute. You don’t fly lower for a better ride because it will cost more gas. You probably want to be a check airman or chief pilot as well.
If so, own it.
I will push up the thrust on legs where we can get back on time. An on time schedule is very important to the company, and sometimes the cost of a bit higher fuel burn to get back on schedule is worth it.
I assume then that you don’t drop the brake when the door closes—you do it only when you are ready to push. You single engine taxi at every opportunity. You don’t run the APU until the last minute. You don’t fly lower for a better ride because it will cost more gas. You probably want to be a check airman or chief pilot as well.
If so, own it.
If being on time costs 1000 lbs is it worth it in every scenario? AA used to file at FL260-270 just to max your TAS if flight plan was 1 min longer than historical. You push early and have a quick taxi, and arrive 15 mins early, but burn 1000 lbs more? Especially when going to the outstation at 11pm. Stupid. BTW they completely stopped that practice when I sent in some example completed flights and how much gas was saved while still arriving early.
Last edited by Name User; 04-03-2026 at 06:08 PM.
04-03-2026 | 05:59 PM
#78
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So which is it? 1,600 lbs or $500?
You are also allowed to be wrong.
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