So how much should a pilot be paid?
11-30-2005, 04:19 PM
#121
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I think LAFrequentflier is close to what the future pay of airline pilots will be. We all should be paid well for the hard job we do, but the reality is that it is just to much fun and the training to easy to get.
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12-01-2005, 01:39 PM
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Wow - tempers are flared once again. I spent two nights reading this post.
From a guys prospective that spent 15 years working the way to a major:
a. Free right seat to build time
b. Grand Canyon flying for $800/mo
c. Hawaii Island Hopping for $1400/mo
d. Regional West Coast 3 yrs right seat $20-24k/yr 3 yrs left $42-47k/yr
e. Major probie pay 1yr $24k THEN FINALLY $80k yr
I NEVER - I’ll repeat - NEVER thought I was underpaid OR overpaid.
As far as pay goes - "it is what it is"
Unions negotiate and management signs off on it.
What really sucks is when management can't run an airline correctly and spends pension payments on fuel/maintenance and other areas. What ever happened to a budget?
Now I'm getting worked up....maybe I'll edit later but I gotta go. Out.
From a guys prospective that spent 15 years working the way to a major:
a. Free right seat to build time
b. Grand Canyon flying for $800/mo
c. Hawaii Island Hopping for $1400/mo
d. Regional West Coast 3 yrs right seat $20-24k/yr 3 yrs left $42-47k/yr
e. Major probie pay 1yr $24k THEN FINALLY $80k yr
I NEVER - I’ll repeat - NEVER thought I was underpaid OR overpaid.
As far as pay goes - "it is what it is"
Unions negotiate and management signs off on it.
What really sucks is when management can't run an airline correctly and spends pension payments on fuel/maintenance and other areas. What ever happened to a budget?
Now I'm getting worked up....maybe I'll edit later but I gotta go. Out.
12-01-2005, 06:28 PM
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going2baha,
i agree with you, you can either do what you enjoy or complain which tells me you are doing it for the money and not the happiness of the job. if people can not survive on $100,000.00, look at the amount real good, you need to get a business magement degree and learn how to manage money. i am not try to become an airline pilot for the pay, i am doing so i can finally enjoy my job.
i agree with you, you can either do what you enjoy or complain which tells me you are doing it for the money and not the happiness of the job. if people can not survive on $100,000.00, look at the amount real good, you need to get a business magement degree and learn how to manage money. i am not try to become an airline pilot for the pay, i am doing so i can finally enjoy my job.
12-01-2005, 07:54 PM
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I think your worth every penny
Originally Posted by SWAcapt
So you're telling me I'm overpaid? With your formula, I'd have to take a 30% pay cut (137seats). Is a military tactical jet pilot only good for 1K/yr? How about the cargo guys? I've never seen the connection between seats and pay. I somehow feel my FedEx and UPS buddies have just as much responsibility as I do (saving my own butt and the pax end up with me). Perhaps a new fomula?
12-01-2005, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
....but the reality is that it is just to much fun and the training to easy to get.
12-01-2005, 09:53 PM
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going2baja,
i agree with you, you can either do what you enjoy or complain which tells me you are doing it for the money and not the happiness of the job. if people can not survive on $100,000.00 look at the amount real good, you need to get a business magement degree and learn how to manage money. i am not try to become an airline pilot for the pay, i am doing so i can finally enjoy my job
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Speeder - You have me ALL wrong guy! For the $$$ - ? - Are you kidding me? I've worked for free and made the $$. Now I fly SEL for $175/day and take care of my 18 mo old little girl when I'm not gone flying. If I was chasing the $$ I would have hopped on a new job the second I got laid off. Two months after I was furloughed I headed for Baja for 4 months and fished/surfed/rode my dirt bike, and enjoyed all the things I couldn't do before. I've chose this career (if you can call it that) for the simple fact there is NO OTHER career where you can work 1/2 the month and leave the job at work and come home and think of nothing other than your family or whatever you are into.
As for spending a $100k - try living in So Cal where new 2000sq/ft houses go for $1.1 Mil. You might find that after you get married, have kids, and buy a house that $100k goes very quickly after you put 30% away for retirement and kids college funds.
BTW - I was a business major from ERAU. Oh yeah, I also run my family business of growing and selling Palm Trees - so I do have my business side DOWN.
Out.
i agree with you, you can either do what you enjoy or complain which tells me you are doing it for the money and not the happiness of the job. if people can not survive on $100,000.00 look at the amount real good, you need to get a business magement degree and learn how to manage money. i am not try to become an airline pilot for the pay, i am doing so i can finally enjoy my job
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Speeder - You have me ALL wrong guy! For the $$$ - ? - Are you kidding me? I've worked for free and made the $$. Now I fly SEL for $175/day and take care of my 18 mo old little girl when I'm not gone flying. If I was chasing the $$ I would have hopped on a new job the second I got laid off. Two months after I was furloughed I headed for Baja for 4 months and fished/surfed/rode my dirt bike, and enjoyed all the things I couldn't do before. I've chose this career (if you can call it that) for the simple fact there is NO OTHER career where you can work 1/2 the month and leave the job at work and come home and think of nothing other than your family or whatever you are into.
As for spending a $100k - try living in So Cal where new 2000sq/ft houses go for $1.1 Mil. You might find that after you get married, have kids, and buy a house that $100k goes very quickly after you put 30% away for retirement and kids college funds.
BTW - I was a business major from ERAU. Oh yeah, I also run my family business of growing and selling Palm Trees - so I do have my business side DOWN.
Out.
12-02-2005, 04:42 AM
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LDMax
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My last airline job was over two years ago. What I meant by that comment is that there are thousands of reasonable people who are still lined up at universities and flight schools to become trained do a job that they know only pays 18K. Therefore they are there because they think it will be fun. My other point is about how easy the training is to get. It takes two full years of 40 hours of training per week to become licensed to cut hair, but only 12 months and a Mesa academy to become a professional airline pilot. These days it is easy.
SkyHigh
My last airline job was over two years ago. What I meant by that comment is that there are thousands of reasonable people who are still lined up at universities and flight schools to become trained do a job that they know only pays 18K. Therefore they are there because they think it will be fun. My other point is about how easy the training is to get. It takes two full years of 40 hours of training per week to become licensed to cut hair, but only 12 months and a Mesa academy to become a professional airline pilot. These days it is easy.
SkyHigh
12-02-2005, 04:49 AM
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looks like you only got one response to your question in 19 pages worth of posts...think we should change the subject???
Pay is important , but the benefits / retirement system has to be there to provide for people, especially pilots - its a very limited skill set...
your thoughts / comments?
International CA FO - 125K / 100K
Domestic CA FO - 100K / 75K
Regional CA FO - 75K / 50K
-LA
Pay is important , but the benefits / retirement system has to be there to provide for people, especially pilots - its a very limited skill set...
your thoughts / comments?
International CA FO - 125K / 100K
Domestic CA FO - 100K / 75K
Regional CA FO - 75K / 50K
-LA
12-02-2005, 04:50 AM
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I stand corrected . There were a few responses - i likes Baja's posts about money / flying for a living in different places / jobs...
-LA
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12-02-2005, 05:12 AM
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Rv4
QOL,
What do you guys think about small planes? A friend of mine stopped by last week for a few days. I use to fly air taxi with him in Alaska. He never was tempted by the airline bug. He spends his year working a variety of jobs. In the summer he flies a beaver for a lodge in Alaska and in the fall he kite surfs in Hawaii then in late fall he flies one of his planes up to Edmonton for the winter. In the past he would tow banners or flight instruct in the winter. Now he and his wife just live meagerly and enjoy life the rest of the year. By summer they still have money left over to invest or to buy more planes with. I use to have a similar lifestyle but ruined it by taking a regular flying job years ago.
SkyHigh
What do you guys think about small planes? A friend of mine stopped by last week for a few days. I use to fly air taxi with him in Alaska. He never was tempted by the airline bug. He spends his year working a variety of jobs. In the summer he flies a beaver for a lodge in Alaska and in the fall he kite surfs in Hawaii then in late fall he flies one of his planes up to Edmonton for the winter. In the past he would tow banners or flight instruct in the winter. Now he and his wife just live meagerly and enjoy life the rest of the year. By summer they still have money left over to invest or to buy more planes with. I use to have a similar lifestyle but ruined it by taking a regular flying job years ago.
SkyHigh
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