Southwest did Codeshare with ATA, but that is still a recent thing relative to the history of the company.

SWA didn't codeshare with Iceland Air. I think it was some sort of marketing agreement, but I'm not smart on that.

There were grumblings with the ATA codeshare. It wasn't as loud since the company was in compliance with SL32, we were growing, and it was relatively small.

 

4 fan trash can and Boeing tanker,
Man that people department sure knows how to pick the poolies. Not even on the property and you have got it all figured out.
Gosh, how have we come so far without the likes of you two know it all's on the property?
For some of us this is not our first rodeo, and there is a growing undercurrent that this management is taking us down a path that we have lived through before. Not a good thing.
Management is leveraging numerous aircraft at 10% to Chinese banks. We used to buy aircraft with cash. Now we are going to contribute to the growth of two upstart SWA clones while you two tread water in the pool.
News flash. A lengthy career in the military does not make you experts on this convoluted and soul crushing industry.
I know this post comes off as arrogant but think of the verbal dress down you guys would give to a rookie private who came to your unit and told you officers how to do this and that.

 

You are right, you do come off as real arrogant. How did SWA get the rep as such a great place to work with someone with your attitude on board? (you shoot me in the face, I return the favor, Nice to meet you, I won't ask "how do you like me so far", you have already made your feelings about military guys very clear)

I have NOT claimed to have any answers at all. All I have said is wait and see the wording. Keep an open mind. People are making all sorts of definitive statements about a TA they haven't seen.

I challenge you to back up your claims that any of us in the pool claim to have all the answers. So what would you have us do? Sit in the corner and suck our thumbs? We're engaging in conversaions. Join us and in a professional manner explain what it is we don't understand.

All I am asking for is FACTS, not SPECULATION.

BTW, nice to meet you and thanks for the great first impression of you. BTW how did YOU get by the PD with people skills like that?

 

Wow, quite a second post. Wonder what the first one was? Welcome to the discussion

 

"Join us and in a professional manner explain what it is we don't understand."

All Mr. Kelly wanted were gates in MDW for the ATA deal that morphed into competing with ATA on common routes which morphed into all under the wing services.
Our own spineless union reps have publicly stated the codeshare "ship has sailed."
I am fighting for job protections that will continue to add poolie koolies like you to the property.
Once intl codeshare is here, the next negotiation will broach the subject of domestic codeshare because we have now set a precedence that the goup does not object to it.
Too many of the currently employed will leap across the table to sell their futures for a raise that does not even keep close to what has been lost in the last 3+ years.
Once flying leaves the property it never comes back. Never. Only bean counters like codeshare. Ask a passenger that has to deal with alliances when the bottom falls out how codeshare was good for them.
Fact. Pilots and flight attendants have taken a pay cut for Jan and Feb due to less flying.
Fact. Our CEO and his underlings granted themselves hundreds of thousands of shares @ $6.95 last week. The same week he said that he cannot guarantee our job security.
Fact. Our management claims we are technologically incapable of going near international. Our codeshare partners with 35 years less experience can. JetBlue can. AirTran can. Spirit can.
My closert has too many uniform jackets where stripes were added and later removed due to all knowing management making bad decisions that are painful to watch happen again.
SWA is the best job I have ever had, and I am fighting to keep it that way.
We got to be #1 in pay because all the others gave back so much. But what cost the most to the others is the loss of flying. I will gladly trade current pay rates to keep all SWA passengers on SWA planes flown to any and all destinations.
That my friend, will get you out of the pool and on the property as quickly as possible. And maybe then you will come to the realiztion that this is a business and not some cheery social club that does not live up to all the public hype.
Fact. Our CEO's new order of importance. Stockholders, customers, employees.

 

Very nice post gipple. To the point and so true. Welcome to the airline industry poolies. It's a tough business and we're fighting to save (y)our jobs through growth of the SENIORITY LIST, not just Revenue. Codeshare grows revenue, NOT the seniority list. Once you'll accept that, life becomes much easier when you vote on the T/A.

 

There have been long time rumors floating around SkyWest that there is some sort of agreement in the works for SkyWest to be a regional feed for Southwest.

To all current line pilots at Southwest that read these boards, PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!!!

I fly for SkyWest currently. I love my job, and I would not have it in the current aircraft I fly (CRJ) if the men and women at United and Delta did not give up their scope. What can I say, I came on the scene long after these things happened.

But as far as I am aware there is not a runway just about ANYWHERE that a CRJ can land at that a B737 cannot land at.

If a B737 can land there, then we all know who should be landing there. Period.

 

Gipple, please go back and read both Boeing Tanker and my posts. You'll find that neither of us claim to "know it all." As you said, your post was arrogant. It was also not in the least bit helpful and risked devolving this into a tired mil vs. civ debate.

In principle, I agree that codeshare sucks and the sale and subsequent leaseback to raise capital sucks. You're frustrated with the company, we wish we were in class.

Same team, dude. Have a great day!

 

Loren Steffy: Should we call them `Southwest International'?

Whatever it was it lasted 1 whole year (1997).

 

Gipple

Thank you for the information, I do respect your experience in the industry and want to hear everyones opinion on what is going on with the company.

Do you truely feel I am a Kool-aid drinker? I'm sure that anyone I worked with in the military would tell you that is one thing that I could NEVER have been called.

How does my position as stated here make you think that I am drinking the corporate kool-aid? I don't like code share, never will. But I am joining a company that has code shares, that is the reality. So what's wrong with asking questions, exchanging opinions and getting the facts about these issues?

This is me asking questions, not claiming I have all the answers.

Ok, that's all water under the bridge. So my next question would be:

So if the wording does NOT improve the code share issue (or any issue in the contract), who is responsible? The MEC? If that is the case, what action can the pilot group take to replace the MEC? If I understand it right, the union/MEC represents the rank and file, right? Therefore it would be up to (if you will allow me to add myself to the group) US to make sure the MEC actually works for US, and NOT the company, right?

So when we poolies do eventually get out of the pool and off probation, how do we get involved in the process to make sure that MEC understands the importance of such issues and does not allow the pilot group to be damaged?

Do you see where I am going here?

It is easy to sit in front of a computer and B & M about anything and everything. Until you have all the facts and decide that something is so important to you that you're willing to get involved you won't change anything.

Does that sound like a kool-aid drinker to you?

I'm very excited to work for SWA, when it happens, and want to be educated BEFORE I step on property. I would think that you guys would like that. So please (and I am serious here) educate me and the rest of the poolies, but to quote an former commander of mine, "give me facts, not emotion". That's all I am asking for.

Thanks for your time. Have a great rest of your day.