Hey Bimmer, your entire post besides "have a great Christmas everyone" is laughable! How bout you get some clues in your bag, besides indoc, before you spout off about not needing a union at Jetblue. And your words about the Delta and ASA crews take the cake. Bad things happen to good pilots on any given day. Might want to do some research on how any incident, big or small is investigated at Jetblue under a "direct relationship".

 

CptBimmer,
Welcome to JetBlue. Thanks for pushing me over the cliff to finally join this webboard.

You need representation and we need it yesterday. Let's review a few facts.

-You have no scope protection
-You have questionable merger protection at best
-Your retirement is at least 35% below industry standard
-You have crappy health insurance and NO health insurance if you go out on long term disability beyond 24 months
-You have a crappy FSM that was ramrodded down the pilots throat with little to no imput from the collective group
-You have no outside representation if you are involved in an incident/accident
-You work for a company that claimed you got to negotiate your PEA before you started, as stated by company attorneys
-You work for a company that is fighting tooth and nail to stop a group of pilots that are disputing an issue in your PEA

I know what it's like to have union (ALPA twice) representation and I know what it's like to live under the so-called direct relationship. It's direct alright, they make the rules and you follow them. The above are facts, it's not pleasant to talk about it but it is the truth. This management team has done the wrong thing time in and time again. It's not all bad but it's time for representation.

 

Don't be such a buzzkill. Its a great place to work. Hopefully it will continue to get better with or without ALPA.

 

The truth will set you free. Do you dispute what I have posted or is it just tough to deal with the reality of the situation? I know everyone wants to feel they are protected and have a retirement but you don.t. Sorry to bring up the facts.

 

Congratulations to the majority of the J6 guys/gals. ALPA is not the only answer and certaintly not the best. You guys/gals are a very professional group of individuals and most of you probably felt for not getting ALPA onboard. That being said, representation of some form is a necessary evil in this industry and I'm confident that your group will find better solutions. Any one of you are more than welcome on my flightdeck regardless of how you feel.

 

In my opinion, it doesnt have to be alpa, but some sort of union in some manner, because of the above reasons stated. Especially with the M&A going on in the industry, some sort of protection in a contract would be a good idea?! Take care everyone

 

Maybe I'm a little behind the 8-ball, but was there a vote on this topic recently at B6?

 

No, somebody resurrected an old thread about the failure of the in-house drive, and then a newhire jumped in and told us all about how great it is here and how ALPA never did anything for him at ASA and we were greedy for wanting things such as scope and better benefits than the rampers. Never mind the fact he hasn't even touched a JB airplane yet...

There is, however, an active ALPA drive on property. Management addressed pay after the JBPA vote and then basically told us to **** off on all the other issues, then have had the balls to hint lately that the 190 is overpaid. It's almost like they want ALPA here.

 

Aight, I'm caught up.

 

It was taken off here by the moderator. Don't act like such a tough guy telling me to **** on a message board. Who do you think you are? So I haven’t touched a JB jet, that doesn’t mean anything (AEWANABE…relax chief). I’m not a rookie or a coward because I’m a new hire. Everyone has been there and I’ve been in the business so spare me your nonsensical jabber for a minute about you conducting an APC background check on me. If ALPA mistreated us at a regional (and majors alike), then how will it make any difference here at jetBlue? If a hospital is constantly getting malpractice lawsuits against them and many become aware of this, would you send your family to them? NO. That’s my point. Seeking other options and steering far from ALPA was the gist of the post, and of course many interpreted it into a whole other realm of misunderstanding taking cheap shots because I haven’t touched a 190 yet. Now I’ll play the grown-up card and admit, I got heated because of past experiences and clearly it got out of control, BUT let me make this clear (since I apparently didn’t): Are other options completely out of question? Another in-house attempt, Teamsters, etc. Why just ALPA? That is all. Civil replies please.