Pretty hard to argue with any of that. Spot on!

 

And why am I paying ALPA dues at UAL while getting paid less than "non union" wages at well, everywhere else?

 

Some good facts.

But the facts that you are leaving our are:

1. Your MEC did this. Not ALPA. ALPA national supports the MEC. Your MEC sold these pilots down the river to save thier retirement.

2. Your pilot group voted to accept this contract. Thus your pilots screwed the pilots that where furloughed, not ALPA.

3. Age 65 was done based on a survey of all ALPA pilots. The majority of all ALPA pilots want this. Again, blame the pilots, not ALPA for doing what their members wanted. (personally I think age 65 was wrong, but I had not vote here at JB).

Again, what everyone that is ANTI ALPA talks about is how "they where screwed by ALPA. Again, they were screwed by their airline and their local MEC and pilot group (ref above), not by ALPA. Sometimes democracy sucks, especially when the majoirty screws the minority.

Just my opinion.......

FNG

 

You are right, anyone that supported whitford on the mec has a share in the blame. That even includes some that were usually against Whiteford but then supported him and pierce taking negotiations away from the negotiating committee so they could be "expeditious in a fluid environment". What a crock of SH#T!!!

Yes, I blame the yes voters too, and I voted no(unlike the people that say they voted no but voted yes) but the ALPA NATIONAL Lawyers and our mec where telling people that we were out of time and had no options. Too many believed them. whitford had steered the negotiations and caught us in a corner with time against us. Fear won the vote.

Whhooaa.. Let state ALL the facts. ALPA poled us once and the pilots, by a wide majority, were against the change of age 60. Prater did not like that so the put out a directed poll and asked "IF age 60 changed would you rather have alpa participate so we might have a say in how it is implimented?." majority said " Uh, well I guess?? ". prater/alpa "See, the majority want it." They did it on purpose and let's not insult anyone's intelligence on how it went down. That is the FACT!!

I pay alpa to do a job. Protect my career. Personal agendas and politics combined with incompetency made them an utter failure at that the last decade. Excusing them will only allow them to suck at their job for that much longer. Was that largely due to UAL mec and pilot votes? Yes, I agree 100%. alpa national/prater were the ones that shoved age 65 up our a$$.

 

ALPA didn't increase the retirement age to 65, the Feds did. It was going to happen no matter what ALPA, APA, SWAPA or any poll of pilots said.

I agree with you that it was wrong, but even an SOS would not have stopped it.

 

On this fact you are mistaken. As I recall when the ALPA pilots were polled it came back something like 65% against changing age 60. Like stated above Prater and the leaders at National were not happy about this. Prater formed a "blue ribbon" panel that was skewed to get the results he wanted. If I remember correctly almost all of the panel was over the age of 50. All but 1 was a captain and all but one member came from the major airlines. After it was announced that the panel and ALPA would support age 65 I emailed Prater asking how if a large majority of pilots were against something ALPA still supported it? He replied with what is stated above. Basically it is going to change anyway so we want to be a part of it. Which was a pretty spineless way to do business. And probably a large reason why Prater is no longer in charge.

Going to ALPA is a decision that all the jetBlue pilots will have to make on their own. Just want to correct the facts on this one issue.

 

Please do not state what you don't know. If alpa had fought it we don't know what may have happened/changed because we did not try. It really bothers me when people know something would, or would not, have happened when we never tried. It's a cowardly way of saying I did not want to fight.

 

Are you joking? Careful what you wish for. It may come true. Rest assured, AA would not treat you or your employees fairly.

 

Amazing. I agree 100%. JD---you're absolutely right. See above post, too.

 

Because there were non-Union jetBlue pilots flying A320s for $129 an hour when UAL declared bankruptcy. United abrogated their labor contracts, stole the A plan and imposed "competitive" wages.

And jetBlue, Virgin and Allegiant pilots can't figure out why they get accused of degrading the profession.