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06-12-2009 | 06:26 AM
#71
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I see your point, but they would have furlough around 350 or 400 on the same bid to do this. There are a lot of MD88 people in that bottom 350-400. Although they are cutting back, there is the need to still fly that plane. Either way you cut it, it would take a LOT of training to do so.
It actually makes it easier to furlough a junior person off of the ER because if they were senior you'd have to retrain them on another piece of equipment. I'm not saying any of the 7ER guys are in any more danger than anyone else, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning was flawed.
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06-12-2009 | 07:38 AM
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Correct. The point was being made that it would somehow be a bigger mess if 7ER guys were being furloughed verses any other junior F/O. My point is it doesn't matter what they are flying. They'll be gone and someone will need to be retrained whether it is a 7ER or a 73N or a MD88.
It actually makes it easier to furlough a junior person off of the ER because if they were senior you'd have to retrain them on another piece of equipment. I'm not saying any of the 7ER guys are in any more danger than anyone else, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning was flawed.
It actually makes it easier to furlough a junior person off of the ER because if they were senior you'd have to retrain them on another piece of equipment. I'm not saying any of the 7ER guys are in any more danger than anyone else, I'm just pointing out that the reasoning was flawed.
06-12-2009 | 08:01 AM
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Im sure furloughs could be justified; however, we (DS) still has 07 guys on the ER in JFK. Furloughs would be a huge mess with furloughing guys off of ER's. The training bubble for this would make the 2001 scenario seem like a picnic.
Relax guys, until you get a letter telling you not to come to work it's not that bad. Even then it's not that bad.
06-12-2009 | 08:13 AM
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06-12-2009 | 08:24 AM
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Oh I know. I fully expect to be displaced off the ER soon. Stuff happens. In this environment I'll be happy to still be employed. I hope I hang on long enough to fly with you, though. That should be a lively cockpit, both of us singing our football songs. Maybe we can fly to Madrid and see the new Galacticos!
06-12-2009 | 08:40 AM
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Oh I know. I fully expect to be displaced off the ER soon. Stuff happens. In this environment I'll be happy to still be employed. I hope I hang on long enough to fly with you, though. That should be a lively cockpit, both of us singing our football songs. Maybe we can fly to Madrid and see the new Galacticos!
I don't think he even flies for Mother DAL. I think he is former TWA, & suffered through that terrible ordeal. I understand why he has such pessimistic views.
06-12-2009 | 09:03 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Anyone know the exact training footprint for the pilots being displaced to the 88 if they've already flown it?
Getting 300 hours of 88 time, spending two years on a 767ER, then passing a 88 check ride with no training is not going to be a lot of fun. Do they at least give you some CBT and procedures trainer time?
Getting 300 hours of 88 time, spending two years on a 767ER, then passing a 88 check ride with no training is not going to be a lot of fun. Do they at least give you some CBT and procedures trainer time?
06-12-2009 | 09:07 AM
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Anyone know the exact training footprint for the pilots being displaced to the 88 if they've already flown it?
Getting 300 hours of 88 time, spending two years on a 767ER, then passing a 88 check ride with no training is not going to be a lot of fun. Do they at least give you some CBT and procedures trainer time?
Getting 300 hours of 88 time, spending two years on a 767ER, then passing a 88 check ride with no training is not going to be a lot of fun. Do they at least give you some CBT and procedures trainer time?
06-12-2009 | 09:24 AM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Before you reply with "you have the , DAL Airway Manual Operations Specifications, Volumes 1, Volume 2, Flight Crew Training Manual, Flight Operations Manuals, Operations Bulletins, Electronic Bulletins, Cut and Paste's, Green Pages, Line Check Airmen's publications, Checklists, Quick Reference Guides, Flight Operations Bulletins and the Fleet Captain's Phone Number to get prepared on your own time while completing training on the airplane you are currently training on", let me comment that the 88 CPT Trainers are locked, I would not know what to do with one if it was sitting in front yard tied to a car battery and I was hoping for something more structured than throwing darts at sagging flight control surfaces, maybe at least as much structure as the wait line at Spondivits.
Also, before you say it, I do have a good attitude
and don't fear the Douglas for being a POS assembled by Long Beach residents without any engineering, or planning, who's idea of "fit and finish" was "ah heck, lets just finish."
ACL65, See you there
Also, before you say it, I do have a good attitude
and don't fear the Douglas for being a POS assembled by Long Beach residents without any engineering, or planning, who's idea of "fit and finish" was "ah heck, lets just finish."ACL65, See you there
