Ferd149

What?

I'm sorry you're unemployed but you're all wet here. This would be a merger/purchase of two operating airlines made up of guys on active seniority lists.

Like I said, I hope you get on soon and there may be staffing issues that could either help or hurt you but...............


Ferd <-----------has no dog in this fight and doesn't know why he is posting

thepilotswife

Thanks! We have actually been preparing since last June. We met with our financial planner soon after F9 went into bankruptcy. We are still in our "FO" house and have let go of the "luxuries" in order to prepare ourselves. We have no CC debt or car payments, we really have been financially responsible over the years.

I don't work and don't want to go back with two young elementary children but I know it is something I will have to consider but I've been out of the work force for 8 years and don't know how easy it would be for me to find employment.

BoeingTanker

You are correct there, 100%.

Please understand that I have no problem with F9, or their employees. Whoever ends up buying F9 I hope they do take care of the workforce that has made F9 unique and in many ways successful airline.

That being said, I think all the people that are complaining about SWA bidding on F9 need to ask themselves a question:

If F9 was a viable company, why are they being bought in bankruptcy? Why didn't they emerge on there own?

Bottom line is that F9, as we all know it, is going away. No matter who buys the company, it is going to change.

As of tonight, there are only two companies that have expressed an interest in buying F9, SWA and RAH. What will either of them actually do with F9 if they come out the winner on the 11th? We don't know, but I would look at what has happened in the past as a good indication.

I would argue that the actions taken by RAH with Midwest are very telling and mean more than any rumor about them wanting to move into the "Mainline" world. RAH came to Midwest as a "White Knight" to help them out. But look at what they have done to Midwest since. Now they want to acquire F9 and want people to believe that they are the good guy and want the two companies to grow and expand. How many people from Midwest have been furloughed? What makes you think they won't do the same to Frontier?

Here is what I see them pulling:

IF RAH gets F9, they will act like everything is great for a short period of time, and then will come to the F9 groups with "your costs are too high, we want you to re negotiate your contract" When the unions don't give as much as they want, they will scale back F9 ops and fill the gaps with RAH iron and pilots. The smaller fleet will be more expensive and the dance will begin again, "accept cuts or else" and more jets will leave followed by more employees. Eventually F9 will vanish.

I'm sorry to paint such an ugly picture, but that is what they are doing to Midwest. Why would they do anything different to Frontier?

As for Boyd, I don't read him. Many people feel he has agendas that he pushes in his reports and is anything but objective. I think his choice of words (VIRTUALLY every market) is interesting. Why not "most", "all", 60% (or what ever the number is). Remember they are based in Evergreen. That's all I have to say on Boyd.

Personally, in the long run, I think they are better off with SWA over RAH no matter what.

Good luck to you and all the fine F9 folks. I hope in the end you are happy no matter which way it goes.

BoeingTanker

Can you supply a link to this document you refer to?

I search for it and all I find are the two teaming up on stimulus stuff, agriculture, and disaster declaration requests.

Thanks
BT

Lifer

Can the Frontier Pilots say " Furlough " ?

Everyone wanted to see SWA outbid Republic..You know that saying "Be careful what you wish for ".

You won't have to worry about giving up " Unlimited Scope ", " Fences ", " " Percieved Stapling to the Bottom of the Senority List ", etc.

No, Now you have to worry about whether, or not, Non-Union SWA will even want you---after all they said it, " We Don't Intend to Integrate the Airbus Into Our 737 Fleet. "

I guess you will get your wish...Republic will see their pockets fattened by SWA..and Frontier Pilots, being purchased by SWA, will soon see themselves on the outside looking in...Wondering if they Fit, or Meet, the illustrious SWA Corporate Culture.

I hate to see anyone on the street--can't support the family that way--but, I wish the Frontier Pilot's well, and hope when the dust settles--you will have your jobs!

Remember ATA--Don't let that happen to you, and pray that ALPA doesn't sell you out.

Maybe Republic wasn't the biggest problem after all .

But they will be the richest--and that influx of cash from SWA--the Republic Pilot Group will make sure that translates into an Industry Standard CBA for the airframes being flown.

Got to give BB credit--using SWA to finance a New, Industry Standard CBA for the Republic Pilot Group. He does know how to play the game.

Oh well--Hustlers are a Pimps Nightmare .

Don't hate the player--Hate the game.

To all the F9 Guys and gals---Good luck and stay strong.

Get everything you deserve and fight to keep what you started going.

LuvJockey

"Frontier has made Southwest's life miserable," Boyd said. "In virtually every market where Southwest and Frontier compete head-on, Frontier has more market share, higher load factors and higher fares. Their brand loyalty here in Denver is astronomical.

I know many people that hate and refuse to fly SWA."

If this were all true, none of us would be writing about an auction for Frontier.

BoeingTanker

Do some homework about unions and SWA.

LuvJockey

Okay, SWA is non-union, Frontier is ALPA, Republic will soon use the cash from SWA for their pilot's industry leading contract. Nuff said.

Hopefully, this level of confusion doesn't accurately represent any pilot group.

I'm pretty sure that SWA will soon make an offer to the F9 pilots, and I think that the future course of SWA's bid will rest on whether or not the F9 guys want it. If they don't want it, I think that they will soon be Republic pilots. That is the choice that they're going to need to make. To the best of my knowledge, no SWA pilot has ever resigned for a job with Republic. Maybe Republic pilots will get an industry leading contract, I wish them nothing but luck.

FORTL

You may want to review the knowledge you based this assertion on.

Lifer

Over time, Frontier Employees would be hired into Southwest as needed

That and ATA--Yes! SWA will make it better for everyone they set their sights on .

To be without some of the things you want is an indispensable part of happiness.

Thank you for the cash infusion and take good care of the F9 Employees.

Make sure your wealth of knowledge is used to keep them employed.

After all, you are all knowing, filled with infinite wisdom on matters such as these. I'm but a mere observer, BB, is the player--and it looks like he is winning.