Was SWA and Frontier going to be a merger?

 

Let's say for grins that it wasn't. Let's say it was going to be a flat out acquisition. How is merger the key word of my post?

 

Republic and Frontier isn't going to be a merger. F9 is going to be a wholly owned subsidiary, just like Midwest was a partially owned subsidiary until recently.

Will be interesting to see how it shakes out, since Republic has already said the Midwest rates are un-sustainable and the Midwest payrate is lower than Frontiers.

"Republic will seek to "rationalize" wages paid to the Midwest pilots and flight attendants, Bertolini said. He noted that Midwest had been seeking more than $25 million in concessions from its flight attendants and pilots before Republic made its offer to purchase Midwest.

"The reality that wages were going down, not up, is independent of Republic's intent to purchase Midwest," Bertolini said. "Whether part of Republic or not, wage levels at Midwest have been unsustainable."


Midwest workers brace for more cuts - JSOnline

 

You imply how so much more stand up Delta guys were doing your merger - and do you ever read the General and his merry men over on FI by the way?

Plenty of "hubris" from two just out of BK legacies on both sides in DAL/NW deal. Now what would have Lee Moak's tune been at Delta had DAL bid on a smaller BK carrier - let's merge the list 'cause we're all brothers in arms here? What would the pilot group have done if any proposal different from ours at SWAPA been proposed? Scream BS that's what.

Oh .... and "brace yourself" as you said ... I used to work at Delta and quit to work at SWA. I know very well how that would have sold.

Delta/NWA much different than SWA/F9 - that is why "merger" was a key word in you post.

 

point,match Grumman !

 

grumman,

My initial post does not even hinge on whether NWA/DAL, SWA/F9 or anything else was a merger. The point of the post was pilots behaviors on APC.

People can agrue the points and counter-points of the merits of their groups case as voraciously as they want, but there is a point where it goes too far. There is a difference in screaming bs and outlandish behavior and it shouldnt matter what the situation is to condem the latter.

I don't go to FI ever, so I don't know anything about the General or his merry men. But, if you can tell me that they are;

1.) telling pilots wives that they need to go get work as a bar maid,
2.) making sexual references about the joystick of the A-320.
3.) Posting lewd pictures, &
4.) [the list goes on],

...then I am wrong AND I will apologize for their actions, because it is uncalled for and childish.

For APC, I will point out that, yesterday I did see two SWA pilots who had never posted on here before say enough was enough and condemed the behavior. You could do the same. Because in the end it doesn't matter if its a merger, acquisition, or even a fist-fight, some actions and statements are just too much.

New K Now

P.S. So, "merger" is not the key word of my post. But, it is what is about to happen to me and Saturday night.

 

The numbers I was referencing were for 2008. One quarter's performance can be slanted by one time charges, etc., and can be very volatile from quarter to quarter. Longer periods of time smooth out the fluctuation and are a better picture of the true metric being looked at. SWA's 1Q costs are adversely affected by the mark-to-market accounting of the decline in the value of the futures contracts used in it's fuel hedging program - hedges made SWA a ton of money in 2008. This may also help explain why they had the lowest % decrease in CASM. I have not looked, but I'd be willing to wager that if you looked at the stage length adjusted numbers from 1Q SWA would come out on top.

 

So, me quoting word for word what some SW pilots had to say is bashing them? Sorry, won't say anything about them..they can do no wrong. You can guess and ramble on about the goings of our company on how we're "going to dismantle them slowly but surely" all day long, but in reality, you have no clue. Carry on.

 

We did screw the pooch on scope and contribute to RJ mania. Some was shorsightedness (is that a word?), and some was done under a bankruptcy with an 1113 gun pointed at our head, but it was a bad thing nonetheless.

If it's true, you can say it.

...and I'll agree with 'ya.

I'll say it again, I'm not a SW hater. The poster I was quoting said SW has raised the bar "over and over", as if the industry has constantly been trying to play catchup with their (your) pay, benefeits and work rules. That's simply not the way I recall the last 20 years.

 

[QUOTE=1Bigrodeo;662867]Many pilots at SWA are getting their fill of stagnant and backwards movement right now. Many are displaced as SWA is moving flying from east to west. Many FO's are understandably upset that what was, until a year or so ago, a 7 year upgrade, now is near 14++ years. Not exactly what they signed up for....
QUOTE]

I can only agree. I was only 50 numbers away from upgrade at CAL after just 2 years. Definately unprecidented, however, now I won't upgrade until 2013. Not what I expected, yes, but I still enjoy my job and have fun learning something new everyday. So, as my favorite comedian Denis Leary says, Life's tough, get a helmet!