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Old 10-05-2009 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lighteningspeed
You guys are really depressing. Are there any good news out there?
Depends. If you're a Farve fan then yes. This game is awesome. If you hate Rodgers then it's equally entertaining
Old 10-05-2009 | 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by STILL GROUNDED
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Great a jump seat war. Who do you fly for?

I'd imagine the pilots you work with that rely on getting to work on a RAH owned aircraft will love your brilliant idea on how to change an industry.

You were probrbaly the same guy that said he'd never fly one of those little 50 seat airplanes when they were offered to Mainline carriers 20 years ago. Another great decision then on your part.

Frankly they are adding up, maybe it wouldn't be safe to jump seat on your aircraft.

I'm ALPA and the last time I checked Republic is not. ALPA is not doing enough about this situation but that is fine because I will do my part. Anyway, it doesn't have to be a war now does it? They have to reciprocate the ban. But since that pilot group is full of limp you know what's I doubt anything will happen.
And even if it does so what? There just happens to be a lot of graffiti on the ALPA booklets, magazines and stickers in the crewroom that say "f-Republic" and "Republic scabs" and so forth. I think most get the reality of the situation and will do our best to derail it. So if it means missing your commute for work, so be it.
I hope it's a matter of time before you all get an ugly dose of reality when you start flying the Midwest and Frontier routes. And I hope Southwest eats you up out West. So enjoy it while you can and when it goes south don't come crying here.
Old 10-05-2009 | 07:35 PM
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I don't believe you really work at an airline.
Old 10-05-2009 | 07:41 PM
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I believe you don't either.
Old 10-06-2009 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty Rat
What the general public needs to hear is that Midwest Airlines is no longer the airline it makes its self out to be. Most if not all YX employees will be gone by November 3rd. Most of them have been terminated, some have been asked to join Republic and the unionized crews have been replaced by lower cost, less experienced labor. There is no other way to sugar coat it. High paying jobs have been lost to a cockroach carrier by airline employees more than willing to cut the rug out from under those who made it what it was. A jackass on a race track doesn't make it a Quarter Horse.
I never thought I'd see the day where a rat is calling out a roach. Besides that little hilarity, lets talk facts which you seem to be short on. Number 1 all midwest employees will not be gone on November 3rd. There will still be "plenty" of ground staff at various stations. Now lets be honest Midwest outsourced alot of their outstations long before RAH came along. Yes thats right, your precious little company went out of there way to can all of those wonderful employees that built that "great" airline. So my question is this, did you proudly show up to work to fly your magnificent Boeings into a "midwest" city staffed 100% by American Airlines? Did you?? You"re a hypocrite and you know it. Your airline was dismantled long before RAH came on the scene.
Old 10-06-2009 | 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by IMHO
I never thought I'd see the day where a rat is calling out a roach. Besides that little hilarity, lets talk facts which you seem to be short on. Number 1 all midwest employees will not be gone on November 3rd. There will still be "plenty" of ground staff at various stations. Now lets be honest Midwest outsourced alot of their outstations long before RAH came along. Yes thats right, your precious little company went out of there way to can all of those wonderful employees that built that "great" airline. So my question is this, did you proudly show up to work to fly your magnificent Boeings into a "midwest" city staffed 100% by American Airlines? Did you?? You"re a hypocrite and you know it. Your airline was dismantled long before RAH came on the scene.
Spoken like a true Republic Employee. Enjoy my job and the low wage you undercut me in order to take it.
Old 10-06-2009 | 05:19 AM
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Go Jets was started to get around American scope just like Republic (the airline, not the holdings company) originally was. When Bedford took too long starting Republic, he bought Shuttle America because he was paying a huge fee to the APA. The fact that Go Jets was started as a new list is irrelevant to the mainline pilots whose scope is being circumnavigated. Regional pilots hate Go Jets because they feel like they are being undercut, but to mainline Republic/Chautauqua/Shuttle America, GO Jets/TSA, Mesa/Freedom are all the same. They are all exposing loopholes in mainline contracts to keep the replacement workers coming in. The replacement workers are replacing mainline, not Tran States' workers.
Old 10-06-2009 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
Go Jets was started to get around American scope just like Republic (the airline, not the holdings company) originally was. When Bedford took too long starting Republic, he bought Shuttle America because he was paying a huge fee to the APA. The fact that Go Jets was started as a new list is irrelevant to the mainline pilots whose scope is being circumnavigated. Regional pilots hate Go Jets because they feel like they are being undercut, but to mainline Republic/Chautauqua/Shuttle America, GO Jets/TSA, Mesa/Freedom are all the same. They are all exposing loopholes in mainline contracts to keep the replacement workers coming in. The replacement workers are replacing mainline, not Tran States' workers.
And you were right here with us until you got the phone call to goto NWA. You need to realize that none of us got hired thinking our time here would be any different than yours. Just happens that BB bought Midwest after you had been gone for a couple years. If it were 3 years earlier you would be sitting right here with us taking all the crap being dished out by everyone right on down to and including GoJet pilots.

If you don't want your jobs outsourced then fix the loopholes and this won't be an issue. We can point fingers at whose doing what but whether I decide to quit my job or not there will be someone waiting to fill it. Its up to mainline to secure their scope. The unfortunate fact is that if there are jobs there will be warm bodies to fill them. The solution starts at the top not at the bottom people.
Old 10-06-2009 | 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
And you were right here with us until you got the phone call to goto NWA. You need to realize that none of us got hired thinking our time here would be any different than yours. Just happens that BB bought Midwest after you had been gone for a couple years. If it were 3 years earlier you would be sitting right here with us taking all the crap being dished out by everyone right on down to and including GoJet pilots.

If you don't want your jobs outsourced then fix the loopholes and this won't be an issue. We can point fingers at whose doing what but whether I decide to quit my job or not there will be someone waiting to fill it. Its up to mainline to secure their scope. The unfortunate fact is that if there are jobs there will be warm bodies to fill them. The solution starts at the top not at the bottom people.
The solution starts at both ends... take some responsibility. Don't quit your job but fix the problem at your end.
Old 10-06-2009 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TrojanCMH
And you were right here with us until you got the phone call to goto NWA. You need to realize that none of us got hired thinking our time here would be any different than yours. Just happens that BB bought Midwest after you had been gone for a couple years. If it were 3 years earlier you would be sitting right here with us taking all the crap being dished out by everyone right on down to and including GoJet pilots.

If you don't want your jobs outsourced then fix the loopholes and this won't be an issue. We can point fingers at whose doing what but whether I decide to quit my job or not there will be someone waiting to fill it. Its up to mainline to secure their scope. The unfortunate fact is that if there are jobs there will be warm bodies to fill them. The solution starts at the top not at the bottom people.
Actually it starts in both places. Regional carriers and their unions need to quit undercutting the competition, and mainline needs to quit selling scope for nominal gains.
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