Midwest Airlines to ground 717s in November
10-02-2009 | 03:35 PM
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And that is exactly why this profession is going down the toilet. Too many guys are willing to do anything to have a flying job, including screwing their fellow pilots.
10-02-2009 | 03:46 PM
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There's a difference between honorable sacrifice and suicide. There hasn't been "unity" in this industry since deregulation. And as such, that means everyone is on their own! If your company buys my company and throws me on the street are you gonna not show up for work in the morning??
10-02-2009 | 03:46 PM
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If I have a say about it, scope is no longer for sale. The guys I talk to at mainline realize that the jets that the regionals fly need to be here. We can make that happen one way or another.
10-02-2009 | 03:48 PM
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Yep, and until people are brought down enough to realize that a little personal pain is worth it in the long run, we will keep fighting for scraps out by the dumpster.
If I have a say about it, scope is no longer for sale. The guys I talk to at mainline realize that the jets that the regionals fly need to be here. We can make that happen one way or another.
If I have a say about it, scope is no longer for sale. The guys I talk to at mainline realize that the jets that the regionals fly need to be here. We can make that happen one way or another.
10-02-2009 | 04:00 PM
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There's a difference between honorable sacrifice and suicide. There hasn't been "unity" in this industry since deregulation. And as such, that means everyone is on their own! If your company buys my company and throws me on the street are you gonna not show up for work in the morning??
10-02-2009 | 04:32 PM
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I guess I'm an old timer, but when I was at the regionals I flew a turboprop on routes like FAT-SMF. I did not want jets at my company, I wanted them to stay at mainline so I could get a mainline job. The regional guys have been so short sighted, and I'm afraid it has cost all of us. There will be no mainline jobs for a long, long time. I am really glad to see a slight change in the mentality, but I am afraid it is too late. SharkyBN584 is right, there has been no unity in this industry since deregulation. Look what has happened to our jobs since deregulation.
10-02-2009 | 05:35 PM
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Take a Tums. There isn't a single pilot at a single company that would refuse to do this flying. They'll say they will on the internet...but push comes to shove if this were being done by anyone else you'd get the same result. As such, I'm not going to fall on a sword just to have someone step over my body on their way to my job. Telling me I need to refuse to fly and lose my job to help someone that would NOT do the same for me is retarded. Give me a legal solution that doesn't take my job away and I'd be happy to help.
It's funny how up-in-arms people get when it requires THEM to do absolutely nothing. I am not, nor have I ever, celebrated the moves my management has made. I have never been happy about replacing a crew member from another airline. But I'm not about to apologize for doing my friggin' job to a bunch of hypocrites who gave away this industry years ago.
Edit - And while we're on the subject...where was the outrage when SkyWest replaced SkyWay?
It's funny how up-in-arms people get when it requires THEM to do absolutely nothing. I am not, nor have I ever, celebrated the moves my management has made. I have never been happy about replacing a crew member from another airline. But I'm not about to apologize for doing my friggin' job to a bunch of hypocrites who gave away this industry years ago.
Edit - And while we're on the subject...where was the outrage when SkyWest replaced SkyWay?
The Midwest pilots tried to add the Skyway pilots (including furloughs) to our seniority list. TH said No, at least we tried to help out another union brother.
The difference with Republic/Midwest is this deal is a merger...
Completion of Acquisition or Disposition of Assets.
On July 31, 2009, pursuant to the terms of the Agreement and Plan of Merger, dated as of June 23, 2009, among Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (the “Company”), RJET Acquisition, Inc. and Midwest Air Group, Inc. (“MAG”), as amended (the “Merger Agreement”), The Republic EXCO didn't even try to write a LOA to help the new Republic pilots formly from Midwest. Midwest pilot are required by law to be integrated into Republic, but the....
Teamsters LOCKED-OUT the Midwest pilots not Bedford.
Republic pilots want all the Midwest flying and will undermine integration talks to position their pilots in Midwest painted aircraft before talks begin. I mean, Delta/Northwest and Southwest/Frontier started integration talks before the purchase/merger.
Republics EXCO did this not TH or BB. And you want no outrage?
ps. These actions are not in the spirit of the Teamsters.
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10-02-2009 | 06:12 PM
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You're not locked out...unless you guys aren't showing up to the party on 10/13...
Edit - And you can be outraged all you want...I never said you couldn't and I never said I wasn't sympathetic. If you think your "supposed" lockout is something I'm down with you're wrong. But since I'm not on the Integration Committee I rely on what my MEC tells me. That was "We will integrate everyone at once." Either someone has told you something entirely different or you are mistakenly taking the EXCO's desire to see the F9 acquisition finalized before integration begins as some sort of slight towards the YX pilots. From our standpoint...since BB has stated time and time again that he wants to keep F9 separate (in violation of our contract) we need RAH to actually OWN them before we can start integrating them. It would be easier and FAR less painful to integrate everyone all it once...
Edit - And you can be outraged all you want...I never said you couldn't and I never said I wasn't sympathetic. If you think your "supposed" lockout is something I'm down with you're wrong. But since I'm not on the Integration Committee I rely on what my MEC tells me. That was "We will integrate everyone at once." Either someone has told you something entirely different or you are mistakenly taking the EXCO's desire to see the F9 acquisition finalized before integration begins as some sort of slight towards the YX pilots. From our standpoint...since BB has stated time and time again that he wants to keep F9 separate (in violation of our contract) we need RAH to actually OWN them before we can start integrating them. It would be easier and FAR less painful to integrate everyone all it once...
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10-02-2009 | 06:33 PM
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What MD-80 is trying to convey here is the fact that while the Republic EXCO did absolutely nothing to help the Midwest pilots keep their jobs, the Republic Pilots have done absolutely nothing either. BB pumped money into YX for one reason. That reason was so his parked E-170's would have routes to fly. Those routes belonged to MIDWEST. MIDWEST was not bankrupt. Our contract spells out: ALL FLYING AT MIDWEST WILL BE FLOWN BY PILOTS ON THE MIDWEST SENIORITY LIST. BB takes his airplanes, paints them our colors and throws a little "Connect" sticker on them, convinces an arbitrator it is a "Code Share" and his pilots take over for less than half of what the YX pilots were being paid. When it is all said and done, pilots at other airlines need to ask yourself if these people deserve the common courtesy. They sure didn't give it to the YX pilots. If I am able to move on, I will never let one of them jumpseat on my airplane. They have shown their true colors to me. They are bringing down the industry at an alarming rate. Why placate them.
1 You had the protection in your contract from the Airline Pilots Association (ALPA). What is the oldest and largest Airline Pilots Union doing for you now?
2 What did you expect the Republic Pilots to do?
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