Let me guess… Denver commuter? Or maybe a Junior F/O at SWA who just saw his chance to put 600+ other guys below him on the list vanish into thin air? Whatever your reason for being upset enough to start this thread, one we all thought (hoped) was dead, it seems that maybe your anger is directed at the wrong union…

It was well publicized (and well in advance) that Gary Kelly said the deal would never go through without an agreement between the pilots. Why then did it turn into SWAPA’s- “Holy crap, we have to get this done in three hours or no deal…” the night before the proceedings. Rhetorical, because I think we all know why it was played that way.

So far in this thread the only people who have voiced any regrets with FAPA’s actions, or asked them to - ‘Please Explain’ are what appear to be a SWA pilot (you), a Jet Blue Pilot, and a Lynx Pilot. On the contrary, the two actual FAPA members, Flex81 and myself – couldn’t be more pleased. The only people on here to whom FAPA is actually accountable, aren’t asking for explanations. So why are you?

SoCal, you may have simply gotten the wrong representation of the facts. The decision to go with Republic was not the judge’s decision. Denver Post - "Southwest's bid was deemed unacceptable by Frontier leaders and creditors, and it was withdrawn."
The two deals were presented, and the choice was made by Sean Menke. And I am just as happy with his decision as I am with the actions of the FAPA leadership.

As for your other quotes:
"You have the promise of a separate airline for now. That wont last very long."
That is so poetic, because it is a spot-on summary of the SWA offer to buy F9.

Also, it seems like I heard alot of people say things like this a couple of years ago when SWA came to Denver. "There's blood in the water..." etc. etc.

And as to your other remark – "you are bankrupt right?".

Nope. Yesterday's news... ;-)

 

SWA refused to amend their purchase offer to take out the pilot approval portion. That meant the judge really had no choice except to take the RAH offer. There was also no point in SWA offering more money at that point since the lack of a agreement on a seniority list made the SWA offer a non starter. Had their been a agreement on the list and that provision in the purchase offer no longer in force then I suspect they would be SWA today.

 

This continues to be a misconception. The judge did not choose anything. He presided, but did not make the choice. The choice was Menke's.

 

Dallas Morning News


Frontier Execs: Pilot deal may not have mattered


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The headline out of the conference call with Frontier Airlines CEO Sean Menke and CFO Ted Christie was that even if Southwest had gotten a deal with its pilots group and Frontier's pilots group, the bidding auction had a lot more going on for Frontier than just labor harmony.

 

SWAPA - Please explain!!!

Taken from a post on the dark side, (flightinfo) made by a SW pilot.

FWIW- Our own Union newsletter has been dropping not so subtle hints that SWA is still looking to acquire and for us to start thinking about a SLI integration based on DOH(or something like that) as opposed to a staple. I suppose this scenario would not bode well for anyone in the pool or looking to be hired. Should be an interesting six months.

Class dismissed. Not for you Spanky, you're banging erasers.

 

From Gary, something might still happen with F9? Don't know what that means though.

 

FAPA and SWAPA did what they did. So now it's all Monday Morning QB'ing. Let's hope everyone at Frontier gets at least what they expect with no dastardly surprises! Besides, there is no reason that Frontier pilots who wish to move over to SWA can't apply (they would have wound up as virtual new hires anyway) without casting their Republic-favoring buddies as sell-outs.

 

Let me add a third Frontier pilot to the mix by saying I was not pleased by the Southwest offer and am happy with the outcome.

Here's a rough assessment of the numbers at Frontier if the Southwest offer would have won-

approximately 55 on furlough
approximately 25 on voluntary furlough
an additional 120 Frontier FO's furloughed (SWA) due to staffing adjustments

The remainder of the FO's receive an approximately $40 an hour pay increase. In return they commute to reserve (not sure where the junior Southwest base is).

All captains' maintain current pay rate until higher at Southwest. Now FOs at Southwest commuting to reserve.

As a mid-range captain my pay rate is approximately 130 an hour. With the upgrades at Southwest predicted to be around 12+ years, I would be looking at a $2 pay raise over the next 12 years, commuting for the next 5 (and again to upgrade), and sitting reserve for the next several years.

I am content to roll the dice with Republic. For what it's worth, I love my job. I work with a great bunch of people fly good equipment, with great work rules/scheduling. I don't like to commute and I don't like reserve.

Take care

 

Can anyone explain to me the fixation that some SWA guys have with the F9 deal? Even with a smaller number of F9 guys overall, I don't see them posting here *****ing.

Dude, get over it and move on. She's just not that into you....


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PS I think Mr. Canyon had the best grasp. The *****ing we're hearing is coming from the bottom of the SWA list...they were promised 3 year upgrades, didn't get it, and just saw a quick jump go "poof" because, gee, some pilots don't like being door mats. Wait until the Tranny guys insist on DOH, and that's a deal you WON'T get to veto.

 

Harry....

Eitherway, the sale is completed. I was under the understanding that the deal was "OK'ed" by the BK Judge overseeing the case at the time. Reading deeper into the article, it did state that F9 could refuse the deal is 'they chose' another deal that F9 saw fit....sorry bout the confusion.

Frontier Airlines Frontier Airlines sale approved by federal judge - eTurboNews.com

Like I expressed earlier, null point today. The sale is locked, stocked, and sealed. All 3 of my buddies over (1 CA & 2 FO's) at F9 saw the Republic purchase as the 'first choice' between the two offers.

Thanks for the insight, all good points.

Fly Safe.