My understanding and point is that the judge can approve a deal as it is presented. But he did not choose between SW or RAH's deals.

 

What boilerup said.

Its over who cares!!

The F9 pay rates would have returned to pre concession plus the raises we have in our TA.
Jr. base at SWA LAS or OAK.
Alot of mis information and half truths but that is water under the bridge.

 

God I hope Spanky isn't a SWA pilot. If you are, "choke yourself". I have no idea why anyone at SWA would want to drudge this up now?

As a SWA FO I thought that we could have made this work out as a win/win for everyone.

Any SWA pilot who thinks we wouldn't have furloughed at least some of the Frontier guys initially has his head in the kool-aid.

BUT, since we did offer 2 year base protection, no one in Frontier would have been commuting anywhere for a while. Regardless of the "staple", that would have also been a de-facto seat protection until the base protection went away.

Depending on how we grew during that time-frame, it might have worked out pretty nice for everyone.

However, we'll never know. I hope it works out well for all of us. I think in the end, we all got what we really wanted.

 

No dog in this fight but the 4 Frontier pilots I know (all fos) are very fearful of their future now and all four will be pursuing SWA. If other airlines start hiring they might look into it too...

Their reasoning seems to be the fact very senior MidEx captains got furloughed while Republic is doing their flying all very cheaply... They think they're safe for the next year or so but think it'll be in the company's interest to drag out the pilot integration for years because Republic pilots are so cheap comparing to Midwest and now Frontier pilots... Who knows?


Not a suscriber so I don't have the full article...

Republic Airways Begins to Meld Its Frontier and Midwest Acquisitions - WSJ.com

Any WSJ subscribers here care to post the entire article?


BUSINESSOCTOBER 1, 2009, 5:49 P.M. ET
Republic Airways Begins to Meld Its Frontier and Midwest Acquisitions
BY SUSAN CAREY

The next step for Republic Airways Holdings Inc.—now owner of Frontier Airlines Holdings, which emerged from bankruptcy-court protection Thursday—will be an unusual cross-pollination of Frontier and Republic's other new acquisition, Midwest Airlines.

Republic, previously an operator of commuter carriers that fly on behalf of five major U.S. airlines, now owns two branded, hub-and-spoke lines: Denver-based discounter Frontier and ailing, full-service Midwest, based in Milwaukee. The idea is to keep both brands but stitch together their operations and inject more of Republic's own flight crews and regional planes into the mix.

Republic is taking on this challenge—and assuming about $1 billion ...

 

One thing about it, I would rather be watching from the sidelines. I think the Midwest and the RAH pilots should make the same demands on SLI that the F-9 pilots made on SWA, after all thats what they thought would be fair.

luvin my job!

 

What demands would those be again?

 

luvin my job![/quote] and not bitter at all.

I am amazed at how many pilots from your dominate, well paying airline can not let this go. Move on. To Southwest's credit their are also many of your own encouraging you to do so also.

 

Please forgive the length of this, but...

Actually, we have multiple pay raises over the course of the CBA, and no changes to the QOL (except better pass benefits due to the expanded network).

Well put, FreightDawg - I wish I was as eloquent.

The reason for the "outrageous" conditions, was primarily as a hedge against SWAPA's assurances ("we probably won't have to furlough any of you"), and also in response to SWAPA's unwillingness to negotiate. FAPA had multiple different proposals prepared - SWAPA had only one, from what I've heard.

Every F9 pilot I have spoken to would have been perfectly happy to go to arbitration, and I bet most WN pilots would have been opposed to it. That alone speaks volumes for what SWAPA wanted. SWAPA's offer was the equivalent of DL offering to staple NW pilots to their list because DL's pay scale was higher.

Are you one of the three F9 pilots that I've met (out of about 100) who feel that way?

I take it we won't be seeing you back here then? I'd like to see you taken care of in an SLI, but I understand if you don't want to come back.

WN only wanted 40 of our 51 airplanes, and would only have taken enough pilots to staff them, and not guaranteed any SWAPA representation for the furloughed pilots.(i.e. probably no recall rights). Thus, QOL and earnings for the furloughed pilots, not to mention the other 4000 employees would have been worse. I would have been fine, but you can color me Christian - I'll do unto others, and not just watch out for myself.

I agree with the first three sentences, but I think that the SWAPA guys would have been better off without us to compete against, and with a DEN domicile, even if their relative seniority was unchanged in a percentage merger.

Make me the 4th.

Actually, captains would have been returned to pre-concessionary rates, so something like a 15% pay raise.

I'd rather take my chances with RAH at the front end of something that might be very big one day, than be on the bottom of a mega-airline that has pretty much tapped out all the major markets in the US now (except ATL and MSP). To the Chicken Littles out there who say that F9 will get the same deal as YX - Midwest, regrettably, was shrinking like crazy before RAH came along. F9 is a "Whole Different Animal", and I hope we can bring the YX guys along for the ride.

 

Sorry I didnt really want to hash this up, but we can see how far off the stories are. Ill ask who has to save face to their union and who really doesnt?

 

And again....can't let it lay