Although I agree with you, nice intro as first post...

 

We're not talking about United's jumpseat priority. Frankly, I could give a rat's arse what you guys do with your jumpseat. This is about XJT and CAL, and their jumpseat priority...and to be clear, every individual carriers' jumpseat is THEIR jumpseat. They can do with it whatever they wish. You're not entitled to a ride on any RJ any more than we are entitled to a ride on mainline. Nobody wins a jumpseat war.

 

You'd give a rats arse if you were a commuter on UAL.

 

I'm terribly sorry that you don't give a rats arse. I didn't even respond to your post. This thread is about the UAL/CAL js agreement. I responded to a post talking about when CAL flys a "United Express" route. However, I must respond to something you said.

We all have a right to jumpseats. United Express carriers failed to recognize this when last year their js com's jointly produced a letter about their disgreement with United and how our cs agents determine priority. They were going to use their jumpseat as a weapon against United pilots unless their problem was fixed. A problem which the pilots of United had nothing to do with. The jumpseat is not a political tool, weapon, or a means to an end. It is a way that we as pilots can get to work, or home to our families. To that end, every pilot has a right to my jumpseat as long as they are courteous and respectfully ask.

You are correct that no one wins in a jumpseat war. Someone needs to explain that to the United Express carriers. They have threatened this crap twice in as many years. Maybe they think they have reached critical mass. Maybe they are mistaken.

 

My bad, I misread it completely.

 

Be safe. Take care.

 

Sorry man, but the company I fly for doesn't have a SINGLE airplane painted in UAL colors. So when this "you you you" stuff comes, it's not valid. Again, sorry.

In the drama filled saga of the legacy/regional relationship, when has the tail EVER wagged the dog? Especially when the dog has multiple tails?

That's a good point.

First off, the JS is a privilege, NOT a right.

Second, can you say with absolute confidence that you're SA on that issue as well as your facts are 100% correct as to the chain of events when that fiasco went down? Are you aware of the circumstances that went on for a lengthy period of time before it came down to that letter being put out?

A similar issue could have very easily happened at the company I work that feeds a certain legacy. The JS people at BOTH companies knew the issue was going to come up, so they took steps to curtail it BEFORE it had a chance to manifest.

Maybe one of the UAX JC coordinators who occasionally posts on here can chime in with the facts and dispel the ignorance.

 

Yes, the dog has multiple tails and they tried to wag. Yes, this was a problem with United's computer system, which United Express contract carriers chose to use for the sorting of jumpseat priority, instead of putting their own money to run the system. Then Express wanted Ual pilots to bail them out using their own capital. Hey Chief, i must tell you, it's very simple. Pilot A, B, and C walk to the cockpit, and the "C"aptain determines who goes. But, the Express captain's didn't have the cajones to exercise their "c'aptains authority. I will never say vacuum tubes are perfect.

Say what you want, but you referred to "United Express routes", which is utter rubbish. Secondly, I had a fistful of those letters from the Express Js coordinators, and they were meant as a political tool. Let me say it again, "you never use the jumpseat as a weapon." I spent two years flying 135, and five years at a 121 commuter. I was always treated with respect from the majors. If you don't want to be treated like a neophyte, don't resemble one.

United, Continental, Delta, American, Usair own the routes! The jumpseat is not a weapon. it is a privilege, "and" a right. U get it?! Don't be a shi$ and you can ride it.

 

Oh brother, where to start? Did UAL not have one of the UAX carriers offer up to pay for the fix to the UAL system? Was that not the reasoning behind the issue was that it will cost money, and the company (UAL) didn't want to pay for it. Is that true, or is it not?

When you say a "fist full of letters", are those the letters sent to the JS chair from the UAX JS chairs referring to the issues that they were having? As well as wondering why a UAL pilot was being processed ABOVE a UAX pilot on THAT UAX pilot's own company?

Never disagreed with that, but I'll ask again, do you have ALL the facts behind that specific issue?

Not sure what you're getting at here, are you calling names?

 

Simply put, this was a software issue for UAL management to solve. Express pilots thought they could hold a gun to the pilots of United. They set a date after which United pilots could not ride the RJ jumpseat unless the United Pilots intervened to solve the problems of the RJ pilots with UAL management. We have enough problems with UAL to fight their battles as well.

They decided to threaten the use of the jumpseat as a means/weapon to get what they wanted. Which was amateurish and wrong.

I can't make it much simpler than that. I frankly don't care what got their panties in a wad over the jumpseat. My problem is they were going to use the seat as a weapon thinking that collectively, their tails could wag the dog. If I could type braille for you I would, but by the amount of postings I see you have on this forumn, I don't think it would work.

Calling names? Dude, life's too short. I was stating that as long as people are respectful and are not shi$'s when they come in the cockpit, all are welcome. Even when an Express pilot shows up with a "Guppy Killer" sticker, I would not use the seat as a weapon as long as they were respectful on my plane. That won't preclude me from saying something to him/her when we were in the air, but they can ride the jumpseat.

Btw, you said, "As well as wondering why a UAL pilot was being processed ABOVE a UAX pilot on THAT UAX pilot's own company?" I was just wondering, who is in final control of the airplane jumpseat, the "C"aptain or the gate agent?