[QUOTE=RedeyeAV8r]
Thanks Redeye,

I will take your advice. It is always a pleasure exchanging ideas with you. I hope you have a good day.

SkyHigh

 

So do baseball players or anyone athletics, people in law in enforcement, and so many other professions. When you type on the keyboard do you have to think about where the letters are? If you do that takes away from actually getting anything done. When you eat do you have to figure out where your mouth is? Do you have to think about how to tie your shoes? When your driving do you have to think about how to slow down?

Your statement is so most assinine.

Pilots don't train religiously so they can feel good about theirselves and or feel like robots. They train because in the case of emergency they don't have think about what to do next. It is instinct.

They go through procedures to take out the "bonehead" situation. All of us forget things every now and then but it usually doesn't kill a bunch of people.

Your goal might be get people to think but your approach is so wrong. The most you are doing is causing people to turn away from you.

You could learn from the story of the "North Wind and the Sun"

Use your prospective to help people not make your mistakes or help them better deal with the issues that caused your the most problems.

 

I still think that the "Pay For Training" guy/gal is ruining this profession. Anyone can cough up the $ and can get any rating he/she wants, no matter the time it takes (unlike military pilots). Those that do the "PFT" (with the $60k - $100K loans) are plan ass dumb! (Have fun paying the loan back) All the automation works great, until it "breaks". Then it depends on the airmanship and experience of one's flying skills. Those that get hired at an airline with very low time ( 300 th and 100 multi), I bet really has not seen very mcuh that could or can happen.

My two cents.

 

Two and only two core reasons for pilot wages to drop. Supply and Demand. The *****s and hobbyists are supplying cheap pilot skills to the market so they can get their rocks off flying a jet. Thus those of us here to make a living get screwed in the long run.

 

Tell that to a DC-8 driver.

 

I have no respect for people who have the money to get them ahead of others who have more skills but no pesos. It goes as well for favoring any minority with less experience...oh well I just opened a new can of worms...

 

read the link in my profile, to a certain extent yes but thats not the right reason

there a too many ******* cheapskate lousy backstabbing lawyers in the US, but their salaries arent going down. Why? because they dont undercut each other, pilots undercut each other cause all of their unions arent worth crap anymore

 

AGREED.

So what about cfi's whose students trust their very lives with them? They trust us to teach them skills, and at the same time to bring them home safely. I have personally lost a student. He got past his private pilot certificate and went on to fly personally. He got into a typical spatial disorientation and ripped the wings right off of his BE24. He was a great man, and in my opinion, a 4/10 skilled pilot. I will never live this down. Should I have signed him off for the checkride? Yes. He passed. Should the examiner have passed him? Yes. The part I cannot even really connect to STILL is the fact that it was not only HIM that was taken because of MY profession. His 17 year old son went with him on that fateful flight. So the question remains: what is it worth? Is it worth 45/hr for me to train someone to do something that could wind up killing themselves over? No. Do I call myself a professional CFI? Nope. Do I call myself a professional pilot? Look at my screenname.

So should regional pilots with this very same responsibility X 45 souls be paid less than me if he is flying bigger, better, badder, faster equipment? YES!!!!! He worked for it, he earned it. Or she. Gotta be P.C. I think the chain of poor income starts right here!

I believe that the chain of poor income starts with flight instructing. Getting paid 10/hr or even 15/hr at Flight Safety is pathetic considering the rate they charge their students. So what can we do about it? Well, do you know any cfi's? I know quite a few. If they work under my company they are rewarded for their skills and expertise. They get 50% of the CFI rates we charge students. That's right, they cringe at the thought of going to regional airlines. Yes, a 500TT CFI is not a perfect pilot, but I can almost guaruntee you he can teach just as well as I can. My students pay very well to my school and I in turn relay that pay to the CFIs. They in turn relay expertise that NO flight school in Ft. Pierce can offer. They are professionals and I am proud to be a part of their career BUILDING. They do not go on to regional airlines that pay them 19/hr. They go on to corporate and make quite a bit there for a starting job. And oh, by the way, they don't mind waiting it out because they are PAID WELLLLLL. If airlines wanted good employees they would pay them. They want workers, not employees.

 

--- I forgot to mention: Corporate wants employees, not workers. Please keep that statement relative to the regional airlines!!!! Obviously you can take a look at the two and figure it out pretty quickly that I will admit they can make new pilots do some strange duties that you would NEVER find (oh, wait, I recall seeing an airline that does this) an airline that will make you detail the boss-man's airplane. Which one was that again??? It's a Florida based airline that replaced value jet. It's late, what can I say?

 

Here's how one LEC Chairman put it many years ago:

It is the Union's duty to:
--protect you from the Company
--protect you from your fellow pilot
--protect you from yourself