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DAL/NWA 3: The PWA REQUIRED in 2012
02-06-2010 | 11:32 AM
#131
No longer cares
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: 767er Captain
This is what is frustrating me now - the company has some great ideas in terms of routes (Africa for example) that could make lots of money. But some aren't paying off yet. Hopefully some of this investment in IFE and Wifi will pay off when people start traveling.
ACL mentioned that someone will have lower overhead and get more business - to a point. Remember Bethune saying "you can make a pizza so cheap no one wants it"? What is interesting is that the airlines that are doing well - really well - invest in their product and pay their employees well. Singapore, Cathay in the international market, and Southwest domestically. You don't see Southwest cutting much (although you can argue they don't have much to cut). But SWA doesn't go to the employees and say "well, we lost money the last two quarters - and our pay is at the top of the pack for pilots. You all need to take a pay cut, so we can be profitable." Nope - the management does what >good< management does - they go increase revenue. They don't make profits off the backs of their employees.
I think the DAL management is on the right track - the graph someone posted a bit ago gave me a lot of confidence in the future for the economy.
Now if the company makes money in the next year or two, hopefully we can point to what we, as pilots, have done to contribute to the success. And get our fair share of that success.
ACL mentioned that someone will have lower overhead and get more business - to a point. Remember Bethune saying "you can make a pizza so cheap no one wants it"? What is interesting is that the airlines that are doing well - really well - invest in their product and pay their employees well. Singapore, Cathay in the international market, and Southwest domestically. You don't see Southwest cutting much (although you can argue they don't have much to cut). But SWA doesn't go to the employees and say "well, we lost money the last two quarters - and our pay is at the top of the pack for pilots. You all need to take a pay cut, so we can be profitable." Nope - the management does what >good< management does - they go increase revenue. They don't make profits off the backs of their employees.
I think the DAL management is on the right track - the graph someone posted a bit ago gave me a lot of confidence in the future for the economy.
Now if the company makes money in the next year or two, hopefully we can point to what we, as pilots, have done to contribute to the success. And get our fair share of that success.
02-06-2010 | 01:48 PM
#132
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 2,350
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From: Flying the SEC
You also know what your are getting with a SWA flight. A 737, peanuts, and no hidden bag charges. Book Delta domestically and you never know what you might get. Spin the wheel....oh no, little plane :-(
02-08-2010 | 07:55 PM
#136
Da Hudge
Joined: Oct 2006
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From: Poodle Whisperer
02-08-2010 | 07:58 PM
#137
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 23,286
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From: Light Chop
Its okay.
I still call a 4-day trip a 4-day trip. I have no idea how the word rotation replaced the word trip. I was confused in indoc but said nothing.
I remember when Continental furloughed again in late 02 or 03, can't remember, but at the time people were getting junior mannged (IA) left and right and they were furloughing. Those guys came back to Coex scratching their heads. And of course Captains were showing FO's their 95 hour lines while furloughs were in progress. I'm sure that went over like a wet fart in church.
I still call a 4-day trip a 4-day trip. I have no idea how the word rotation replaced the word trip. I was confused in indoc but said nothing.
I remember when Continental furloughed again in late 02 or 03, can't remember, but at the time people were getting junior mannged (IA) left and right and they were furloughing. Those guys came back to Coex scratching their heads. And of course Captains were showing FO's their 95 hour lines while furloughs were in progress. I'm sure that went over like a wet fart in church.
02-08-2010 | 08:00 PM
#138
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 782
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From: 717
02-08-2010 | 08:04 PM
#139
veut gagner à la loterie
Joined: Apr 2008
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From: Light Chop
I understanding pairing. I used to use that so thats at least normal. The funny thing was I overheard a soldier on the escalator at the airport one day say he was on at 12 month rotation. I was like thats where that comes from, its a military term.
So then I started wondering what else do we do that's adopted from the military and so I just had to ask someone: does the military only pay once a month minus a small "advance"? Is that where that came from? From what I understand, no they don't. So my quest continues to figure out who thought that was a good idea.
So then I started wondering what else do we do that's adopted from the military and so I just had to ask someone: does the military only pay once a month minus a small "advance"? Is that where that came from? From what I understand, no they don't. So my quest continues to figure out who thought that was a good idea.
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