View Poll Results: How do you (reallyfeel about the current PWA?
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DAL/NWA 3: The PWA REQUIRED in 2012
02-01-2010 | 10:09 AM
#31
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I'm tired of Reserve serving as the "give-back" portion of the contract. I would like Reserve to be a viable option, even for senior people. It should be just one way to bid in category, and it shouldn't be a hurdle you have to jump over before you take an upgrade.
02-01-2010 | 10:14 AM
#32
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Wish list item:
How about instant credits (or penalty fee) for Crew Scheduling and Crew Accommodation screw ups? When called out as a reserve to fly the remainder of a rotation 80% of the time my DH leg requires one or two phone calls. 100% of the time the transport from the airport to hotel takes at least two calls, and 40% of the time there is a problem with the hotel. Repeat on the back end of the trip.
Crew Scheduling uses the excuse that they assume pilots are going to deviate. Even to the point of assigning redonkulous DH legs they know no one could make (15 minute turns, < 1:30 to wheels up from the initial call, etc ...) Well, usually I fly the exact trip as scheduled and usually it takes a dozen phone calls and usually the weather is crap.
Well, since this is an acknowledged problem, why not attach a cost to it? Something to encourage CS and CA to actually perform their job.
If I no show for a trip, I don't get paid. There is an incentive for me to perform. Lets incentivize the Company, at least .25 pay, or $50 per call.
Agreed, but the senior guys aren't going to give up a nickel to see that happen.
How about instant credits (or penalty fee) for Crew Scheduling and Crew Accommodation screw ups? When called out as a reserve to fly the remainder of a rotation 80% of the time my DH leg requires one or two phone calls. 100% of the time the transport from the airport to hotel takes at least two calls, and 40% of the time there is a problem with the hotel. Repeat on the back end of the trip.
Crew Scheduling uses the excuse that they assume pilots are going to deviate. Even to the point of assigning redonkulous DH legs they know no one could make (15 minute turns, < 1:30 to wheels up from the initial call, etc ...) Well, usually I fly the exact trip as scheduled and usually it takes a dozen phone calls and usually the weather is crap.
Well, since this is an acknowledged problem, why not attach a cost to it? Something to encourage CS and CA to actually perform their job.
If I no show for a trip, I don't get paid. There is an incentive for me to perform. Lets incentivize the Company, at least .25 pay, or $50 per call.
Agreed, but the senior guys aren't going to give up a nickel to see that happen.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 02-01-2010 at 10:59 AM.
02-01-2010 | 10:17 AM
#33
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02-01-2010 | 10:26 AM
#34
No longer cares
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: 767er Captain
Pay me for every minute I am in the sim. Pay me for every minute I am watching a CD. Pay me for doing Jepp reviswions. (Want to see electronic flight kits or ship sets tomorrow?? here's the way it happens)
02-01-2010 | 10:28 AM
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How about instant credits (or penalty fee) for Crew Scheduling and Crew Accommodation screw ups? When called out as a reserve to fly the remainder of a rotation 80% of the time my DH leg requires one or two phone calls. 100% of the time the transport from the airport to hotel takes at least two calls, and 40% of the time there is a problem with the hotel. Repeat on the back end of the trip.
Crew Scheduling uses the excuse that they assume pilots are going to deviate. Even to the point of assigning redonkulous DH legs they know no one could make (15 minute turns, < 1:30 to wheels up from the initial call, etc ...) Well, usually I fly the exact trip as scheduled and usually it takes a dozen phone calls and usually the weather is crap.
Well, since this is an acknowledged problem, why not attach a cost to it? Something to encourage CS and CA to actually perform their job.
If I no show for a trip, I don't get paid. There is an incentive for me to perform. Lets incentivize the Company to not leave us homeless in the rain during a rotation!
At least .25 pay, or $50 per call.
Agreed, but the senior guys aren't going to give up a nickel to see that happen.
Crew Scheduling uses the excuse that they assume pilots are going to deviate. Even to the point of assigning redonkulous DH legs they know no one could make (15 minute turns, < 1:30 to wheels up from the initial call, etc ...) Well, usually I fly the exact trip as scheduled and usually it takes a dozen phone calls and usually the weather is crap.
Well, since this is an acknowledged problem, why not attach a cost to it? Something to encourage CS and CA to actually perform their job.
If I no show for a trip, I don't get paid. There is an incentive for me to perform. Lets incentivize the Company to not leave us homeless in the rain during a rotation!
At least .25 pay, or $50 per call.
Agreed, but the senior guys aren't going to give up a nickel to see that happen.
02-01-2010 | 11:31 AM
#37
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Heyas guys,
My preferences:
Scope
Pay
And some tweaks:
Bought off a trip for OE. You should only be responsible for the trip you were on, and not a "free" reserve.
Some kind of ultra-long-call reserve. Maybe a 24 hour callout at a reduced reserve guarantee (68 vs 70 or something like that). We are moving into a time where I don't know how much movement we're going to have and will probably have quite a bit more commuters. It'd be nice to have a more doable system for commuting to reserve.
Maybe assign actual pay credit to a reserve day (where you're not flown), whether you fly or not, instead of a score. The AirTran guys got this via an arbitrated settlement some years ago, and it seems to work very well for them.
I wouldn't mind seeing another PCS cycle (One of my favorite parts of the current PWA)...say 4 vs 3. I've heard some good arguments about making it "real time", but there are good arguments against that. One thing is fo sure...it's a hell of a lot better than what we had at NWA (see, I can do it!).
Nu
My preferences:
Scope
Pay
And some tweaks:
Bought off a trip for OE. You should only be responsible for the trip you were on, and not a "free" reserve.
Some kind of ultra-long-call reserve. Maybe a 24 hour callout at a reduced reserve guarantee (68 vs 70 or something like that). We are moving into a time where I don't know how much movement we're going to have and will probably have quite a bit more commuters. It'd be nice to have a more doable system for commuting to reserve.
Maybe assign actual pay credit to a reserve day (where you're not flown), whether you fly or not, instead of a score. The AirTran guys got this via an arbitrated settlement some years ago, and it seems to work very well for them.
I wouldn't mind seeing another PCS cycle (One of my favorite parts of the current PWA)...say 4 vs 3. I've heard some good arguments about making it "real time", but there are good arguments against that. One thing is fo sure...it's a hell of a lot better than what we had at NWA (see, I can do it!).
Nu
02-01-2010 | 12:08 PM
#38
Happy to be here
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From: A-320A
+1. I believe SC should be a choice that comes its' own risk and rewards. You should work less days when you get SC's. They should not count the same as a 12-hour call-out.
Speaking of LC, TWA had (I believe) 9 hours call-out during daytime hours, but 15 hours from evening until morning. That made it a true LC system, friendly to commuters.
As an aside, I don't know why we don't have a very small percentage of Reserves on Ready Reserve, for a given duration, at very high Credit. Maybe I only make that distinction because I'm based in New York, where noone can be promptly available to three airports. Maybe SC and "Ready Reserve" means the same thing in other domiciles?
But I think it wouldn't be difficult to design a comprehensive system where people get rewarded with more time off for being more avialable during SC, and even more time off for a form of Ready-Reserve.
Speaking of LC, TWA had (I believe) 9 hours call-out during daytime hours, but 15 hours from evening until morning. That made it a true LC system, friendly to commuters.
As an aside, I don't know why we don't have a very small percentage of Reserves on Ready Reserve, for a given duration, at very high Credit. Maybe I only make that distinction because I'm based in New York, where noone can be promptly available to three airports. Maybe SC and "Ready Reserve" means the same thing in other domiciles?
But I think it wouldn't be difficult to design a comprehensive system where people get rewarded with more time off for being more avialable during SC, and even more time off for a form of Ready-Reserve.
I do not know what the company response to Ready Reserve would be. WS go first.
I rather sit at home a hr away than sit in the crew lounge for six hrs, but that is just me and I do not commute.
02-01-2010 | 12:12 PM
#39
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I'm going to guess it's not a big problem in Atlanta, with so many neraby, so I'm going to guess this isn't one that would make the top of the list of things we propose.
02-01-2010 | 12:14 PM
#40
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From: Kickin’ Back
Heyas guys,
My preferences:
Scope
Pay
And some tweaks:
Bought off a trip for OE. You should only be responsible for the trip you were on, and not a "free" reserve.
Some kind of ultra-long-call reserve. Maybe a 24 hour callout at a reduced reserve guarantee (68 vs 70 or something like that). We are moving into a time where I don't know how much movement we're going to have and will probably have quite a bit more commuters. It'd be nice to have a more doable system for commuting to reserve.
Maybe assign actual pay credit to a reserve day (where you're not flown), whether you fly or not, instead of a score. The AirTran guys got this via an arbitrated settlement some years ago, and it seems to work very well for them.
I wouldn't mind seeing another PCS cycle (One of my favorite parts of the current PWA)...say 4 vs 3. I've heard some good arguments about making it "real time", but there are good arguments against that. One thing is fo sure...it's a hell of a lot better than what we had at NWA (see, I can do it!).
Nu
My preferences:
Scope
Pay
And some tweaks:
Bought off a trip for OE. You should only be responsible for the trip you were on, and not a "free" reserve.
Some kind of ultra-long-call reserve. Maybe a 24 hour callout at a reduced reserve guarantee (68 vs 70 or something like that). We are moving into a time where I don't know how much movement we're going to have and will probably have quite a bit more commuters. It'd be nice to have a more doable system for commuting to reserve.
Maybe assign actual pay credit to a reserve day (where you're not flown), whether you fly or not, instead of a score. The AirTran guys got this via an arbitrated settlement some years ago, and it seems to work very well for them.
I wouldn't mind seeing another PCS cycle (One of my favorite parts of the current PWA)...say 4 vs 3. I've heard some good arguments about making it "real time", but there are good arguments against that. One thing is fo sure...it's a hell of a lot better than what we had at NWA (see, I can do it!).
Nu
I'm sorry but I can't resist.....................I "Nu" you could do it!!!!
Denny
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