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DAL/NWA 3: The PWA REQUIRED in 2012
02-02-2010 | 01:23 PM
#71
Underboob King
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From: Guppy Commander
Apparently you weren't militant enough to get your 3 months. 
I follow DAL/NWA current events pretty closely and I've never heard of this issue before.
Did you raise it when the JCBA was being negotiated?
I agree with you though and I welcome you to Delta.
We need all the militant no voters we can get.
I follow DAL/NWA current events pretty closely and I've never heard of this issue before.
Did you raise it when the JCBA was being negotiated?
I agree with you though and I welcome you to Delta.
We need all the militant no voters we can get.
The NWA side said they had it in the original PWA but when the DAL side shifted on their own with mgmt and then fuel skyrocketed they said they couldnt get it in the final PWA. 
the problem is that IF we hired newb pilots those pilots would get their pay longevity at DOH making those of us senior to them on a substandard longevity pay. Not to mention that a new hire tomorrow would have 12% starting right away while the rest of the NWA pilots are on substandard % as well.
ALL of this was grieved and resolutions passed but the MEC threw it out as no action taken! It needs to be fixed so that we're all paid equally.
02-02-2010 | 01:27 PM
#72
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Switching gears a little bit...
One thing I would rate as a 10 is solving a general problem with our contract: it's not enforceable or favorable enough, because it isn't simple enough. Every section carries exceptions that invalidate the "meat" of the preceding text.
I would like to see a contract that is cut in half, by taking an axe to all the "to the extent possibles", and "excepts"... I've been furloughed by one of those. And by Joe Kolshack (hardest decision he ever made).
I think arguing for "a simpler contract" sounds a lot better than "a more expensive contract". Tell everyone who will listen we only want a simpler, cleaner contract. Scope, for example, can be made A LOT simpler and easier to understand...
One thing I would rate as a 10 is solving a general problem with our contract: it's not enforceable or favorable enough, because it isn't simple enough. Every section carries exceptions that invalidate the "meat" of the preceding text.
I would like to see a contract that is cut in half, by taking an axe to all the "to the extent possibles", and "excepts"... I've been furloughed by one of those. And by Joe Kolshack (hardest decision he ever made).
I think arguing for "a simpler contract" sounds a lot better than "a more expensive contract". Tell everyone who will listen we only want a simpler, cleaner contract. Scope, for example, can be made A LOT simpler and easier to understand...
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02-02-2010 | 01:27 PM
#73
Underboob King
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From: Guppy Commander
This effects all NWA pilots that havent hit the 12th year mark fwiw
02-02-2010 | 02:04 PM
#75
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
At the time we accepted the deal we were given and at our levels of seniority no one really gives two hoots about our anniversary dates. Further, fixing some of these issues sets a precedent that others might try to "me too" on.
Not that I'm against fixing a special case, I just don't see those who are not effected getting behind it and some would be jealous if your issue was fixed and theirs was not.
02-02-2010 | 02:11 PM
#77
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Switching gears a little bit...
One thing I would rate as a 10 is solving a general problem with our contract: it's not enforceable or favorable enough, because it isn't simple enough. Every section carries exceptions that invalidate the "meat" of the preceding text.
I would like to see a contract that is cut in half, by taking an axe to all the "to the extent possibles", and "excepts"... I've been furloughed by one of those. And by Joe Kolshack (hardest decision he ever made).
I think arguing for "a simpler contract" sounds a lot better than "a more expensive contract". Tell everyone who will listen we only want a simpler, cleaner contract. Scope, for example, can be made A LOT simpler and easier to understand...
One thing I would rate as a 10 is solving a general problem with our contract: it's not enforceable or favorable enough, because it isn't simple enough. Every section carries exceptions that invalidate the "meat" of the preceding text.
I would like to see a contract that is cut in half, by taking an axe to all the "to the extent possibles", and "excepts"... I've been furloughed by one of those. And by Joe Kolshack (hardest decision he ever made).
I think arguing for "a simpler contract" sounds a lot better than "a more expensive contract". Tell everyone who will listen we only want a simpler, cleaner contract. Scope, for example, can be made A LOT simpler and easier to understand...
I also like the idea of specific penalties stipulated in the Contract. The grievance process is too long, time consuming and convoluted. If the Company errs they should fix the breach and be held accountable. By the same token, they could attach some levy for our non compliance if that is ever an issue.
02-02-2010 | 02:13 PM
#78
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
02-02-2010 | 02:27 PM
#79
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I was just afraid of a repeat of this terrible scene:
YouTube - Calm Down
02-02-2010 | 04:58 PM
#80
Da Hudge
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From: Poodle Whisperer
From a fellow scope hawk- what about scope restoration on the contract?
There's a lot of large replacement jets out there flying around with "operated by" on them... and that puts a TREMENDOUS downward pressure on potential wages as well as is a constant threat to our jobs.
There's a lot of large replacement jets out there flying around with "operated by" on them... and that puts a TREMENDOUS downward pressure on potential wages as well as is a constant threat to our jobs.
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