View Poll Results: How do you (reallyfeel about the current PWA?
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DAL/NWA 3: The PWA REQUIRED in 2012
02-01-2010, 12:17 PM
#41
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Originally Posted by Sink r8
Asking what management's response would be isn't really a priority when establishing what it is we need in a contract. But as far as their incentive to have a true Ready Reserve, it would depend on how many delays we incur as a result of using SC, both in a co-terminal base, and a "normal" base.
I'm going to guess it's not a big problem in Atlanta, with so many neraby, so I'm going to guess this isn't one that would make the top of the list of things we propose.
I'm going to guess it's not a big problem in Atlanta, with so many neraby, so I'm going to guess this isn't one that would make the top of the list of things we propose.
In NYC or DTW yep ready reserves may be a good idea, but there would have to be a min daily credit given for that.
Speaking of which I would like to six hrs a day. I beleive Fedex has six.
02-01-2010, 12:18 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Dismayed
Posts: 1,594
Would like to see some work rules changed then next time they want a MOU or LOA signed. Something like the credit for SC or everyone gets paid the same amount of time.
Like I told my rep "nothing for nothing".
If we get some QOL things knocked out on LOAs etc, then when we get to the meat we can get the scope, pay et al fixed.
Like I told my rep "nothing for nothing".
If we get some QOL things knocked out on LOAs etc, then when we get to the meat we can get the scope, pay et al fixed.
02-01-2010, 12:22 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Boeing Hearing and Ergonomics Lab Rat, Night Shift
Posts: 1,724
Minimum Daily Guarantee is just that, no exceptions:
- MDG for DH only days
- MDG for no fly days
- MDG for training, sim groundschool, etc.
- MDG for Reserve on Short Call
get rid of all the other MDM language and exceptions in the PWA.
New Duty Rig:
The better of MDG or TAFB/3 for any trip
Reserves:
- MDG for Reserve on Short Call (see above)
- Get rid of RAW and just use Credit
- Make Seniority mean something for folks on reserve:
Have a function for "reduce or increase my credit by XX"
Most senior pilot gets XX=100
Most junior pilot gets XX=10
Now you can fly if you want to or sit if you want to with seniority.
Cheers
George
- MDG for DH only days
- MDG for no fly days
- MDG for training, sim groundschool, etc.
- MDG for Reserve on Short Call
get rid of all the other MDM language and exceptions in the PWA.
New Duty Rig:
The better of MDG or TAFB/3 for any trip
Reserves:
- MDG for Reserve on Short Call (see above)
- Get rid of RAW and just use Credit
- Make Seniority mean something for folks on reserve:
Have a function for "reduce or increase my credit by XX"
Most senior pilot gets XX=100
Most junior pilot gets XX=10
Now you can fly if you want to or sit if you want to with seniority.
Cheers
George
02-01-2010, 12:34 PM
#44
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Agreed George. Make the MDG for days that the trip touches even by a minute, not duty periods. That little loophole makes these three day redeye trips worth nada. Make it worth what ever days a trip touches.
For the LAX guys that Report at 2355 for a redeye to the east coast, that day is paid at daily guarantee.
For the LAX guys that Report at 2355 for a redeye to the east coast, that day is paid at daily guarantee.
02-01-2010, 04:15 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: C-17, DAL 737B
Posts: 120
Recovery Flying
Originally Posted by DogWhisperer
23k recovery flying needs to lose the "same calendar day" option for the company. The "within four hours" finishing part can stay but the other turns line holders into reserves. 23k abrogates seniority.
Seriously though, OE is a training cost that should be sucked up by the company. You should be paid and sent home (or even better--stay at home). It's the cost of doing business plain and simple. This needs to go away!
02-01-2010, 06:23 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
Position: 737n/FO
Posts: 667
Originally Posted by Sink r8
+1. I believe SC should be a choice that comes its' own risk and rewards. You should work less days when you get SC's. They should not count the same as a 12-hour call-out.
Speaking of LC, TWA had (I believe) 9 hours call-out during daytime hours, but 15 hours from evening until morning. That made it a true LC system, friendly to commuters.
As an aside, I don't know why we don't have a very small percentage of Reserves on Ready Reserve, for a given duration, at very high Credit. Maybe I only make that distinction because I'm based in New York, where noone can be promptly available to three airports. Maybe SC and "Ready Reserve" means the same thing in other domiciles?
But I think it wouldn't be difficult to design a comprehensive system where people get rewarded with more time off for being more avialable during SC, and even more time off for a form of Ready-Reserve.
Speaking of LC, TWA had (I believe) 9 hours call-out during daytime hours, but 15 hours from evening until morning. That made it a true LC system, friendly to commuters.
As an aside, I don't know why we don't have a very small percentage of Reserves on Ready Reserve, for a given duration, at very high Credit. Maybe I only make that distinction because I'm based in New York, where noone can be promptly available to three airports. Maybe SC and "Ready Reserve" means the same thing in other domiciles?
But I think it wouldn't be difficult to design a comprehensive system where people get rewarded with more time off for being more avialable during SC, and even more time off for a form of Ready-Reserve.
02-01-2010, 06:44 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: Work
Posts: 506
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
That is what I predict. Sucks...but...
02-01-2010, 06:57 PM
#48
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by dtfl
I love it.....but I am a realist. In this economy, with the public thinking we are whiney bus drivers...with costs of doing business on the rise (oil, fuel, healthcare)...I am predicting we get no more than a 10% raise, with the same limitation on 76 seaters (maybe a few more) and another 1% for our DC. We might get vacation pay back to 3.5/day and get some reserve rules improved. That's it. Period.
That is what I predict. Sucks...but...
That is what I predict. Sucks...but...
i think we'll definitely get more than your projections. I wanna see a significant pay raise and a big bump into our contributions to make up for no pension. We'll see
02-01-2010, 06:59 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: FO forever
Posts: 413
need educating here. I have been told that DAL has a 20 buffer after a transpac before y0u can fly again but it is not contractual. This does not sound right to me. I for one like the NWA rule of no less than 15 hours off duty before flying after a crossing. This allowed us to do a multitude of 3 day transpacs in the 25 hour range. Now under the DAL rules we sit 24 more hours turning a 3 day into a 4 day. I have to sleep all day and stay up 2 nights to stay on US time making rest more difficult. I am for max time while flying and min time away form home. Would like to see some relief on this issue. I think this is a win win for the company(not buying extra hotel rooms and less perdieum) And less time away from home for the pilot. open for discussion and would like to know the DAL rule on this.
02-01-2010, 08:32 PM
#50
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Joined APC: Feb 2009
Position: right for a long, long time
Posts: 2,642
I voted for the first and second option by accident!! Apparently when you click the wrong box and then click a different box it doesn't "uncheck" the first one.
Whoops!!!
FTR, I think this PWA is somewhere between keep it and burn it.....
Whoops!!!
FTR, I think this PWA is somewhere between keep it and burn it.....
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