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Old 02-19-2010 | 11:31 AM
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PWA 2012 + 50%

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Old 02-19-2010 | 11:45 AM
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Very nice FTB!

Now to ball park cost, use this assumption and create a none-linear table of cost.
5% 4+1 totaled a total cost increase of 90 million to our PWA. So do that for 2011 and 2012 and know that 5% of this years equated to 90 million but 5% next year will be more. So what is X?

Simple math states the contract income costs are about 1.89 billion for 2010.

So
2011 =1.9845b
2012 = 2.08373

Now
20%=2.5b
30%=2.70b
40%= 2.917b
50%= 3.125595b

Simple compounding used, for simple illustration.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 02:20 PM
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Old 02-19-2010 | 02:26 PM
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I am reading it right now.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 02:28 PM
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Looks like a 45.5% bump would equate to C2K rates.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Looks like a 45.5% bump would equate to C2K rates.
Not if you factor in inflation.
We're gonna need closer to a 60% raise.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
Not if you factor in inflation.
We're gonna need closer to a 60% raise.
Check;
Read the statement again. C2K rates, I did not state buying power.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 04:46 PM
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You guys are high. 45% raise ain't gonna happen in this economy. And if it did you can kiss the bottom 2000 guys goodbye. I don't want to be paid the most. I want to be paid the longest. And if that means you never see C2000 rates again, so be it. The more I read about C2000 the more I think you guys got played. You gave up how many thousand jobs for some awsome payrates that were ephemeral at best.

Then again those productivity gains the company got enabled us to be the potential powerhouse thatbwe are today. So thank you for my job today.

Before you start calling me names, we will al vote for the next contract based on our own self interests. Mine is continued long term employment. You all at the top don't have to worry about that. I understand you. Please understand me.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
You guys are high. 45% raise ain't gonna happen in this economy. And if it did you can kiss the bottom 2000 guys goodbye. I don't want to be paid the most. I want to be paid the longest. And if that means you never see C2000 rates again, so be it. The more I read about C2000 the more I think you guys got played. You gave up how many thousand jobs for some awsome payrates that were ephemeral at best.

Then again those productivity gains the company got enabled us to be the potential powerhouse thatbwe are today. So thank you for my job today.

Before you start calling me names, we will al vote for the next contract based on our own self interests. Mine is continued long term employment. You all at the top don't have to worry about that. I understand you. Please understand me.
Basically, you're saying you don't want pay rates that will make furloughs more likely (as in less time to hit the ROI on a furlough) and pay that is so high that it'll be taken away.

I can agree with that. But I think I still have the right to call you names. I think I'd also add work rules, work rules, work rules. I still want pay over work rules but I don't want pay to ruin work rules.

While we're on this note, please remove me from the "1.5X Above 80 Hours" club. Learned a thing or two from the right person in the know to change my mind.

Also, where is Sink's get to know your contract. The idea that we need to know our contract is absolutely 100% correct going into 2012. All of those Contract Awareness (CA) bulletins and the CA 09-12 is an absolute must. Get that 09-12 off the alpa page and keep it on your computer for reference.
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Old 02-19-2010 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
You guys are high. 45% raise ain't gonna happen in this economy. And if it did you can kiss the bottom 2000 guys goodbye. I don't want to be paid the most. I want to be paid the longest. And if that means you never see C2000 rates again, so be it. The more I read about C2000 the more I think you guys got played. You gave up how many thousand jobs for some awsome payrates that were ephemeral at best.

Then again those productivity gains the company got enabled us to be the potential powerhouse thatbwe are today. So thank you for my job today.

Before you start calling me names, we will al vote for the next contract based on our own self interests. Mine is continued long term employment. You all at the top don't have to worry about that. I understand you. Please understand me.
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I beleive you are reading in to the posts. The exercise was to point out a percentage increase to hit the coveted c2K hourly rates, and what a 20%,30%,40% etc rate would look like extrapolating the wages off of the 2012 rates.
Rough math on my part based on a public statement of the 5% bump this year costing 90 million is giving rough numbers to the cost of such demands. No more no less.
Not advocating a starting position as that is the job of our MEC.
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