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DAL/NWA 3: The PWA REQUIRED in 2012
02-20-2010 | 07:07 PM
#201
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From: A-320A
Just a way to show what you make per hr of duty and per hr for TAFB if you amortize you pay over those two statistics.
FtB, did you get the Flightline tax summary. It will show you duty hrs and tafb for the year. Of course you are on reserve so maybe someone that flew a line can send some data our way and we can use that as an example. Anyone?
FtB, did you get the Flightline tax summary. It will show you duty hrs and tafb for the year. Of course you are on reserve so maybe someone that flew a line can send some data our way and we can use that as an example. Anyone?
02-20-2010 | 07:21 PM
#202
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From: Light Chop
FTB, I don't think I explained myself correctly. Take our current pay rates which equate to FLYING hour rates and ADD to them the Preflight and Post flight pay. Ex. 3 yr 767 FO pay = 100.29/hr + 50.15 (domestic preflight time of 1 hour prior to scheduled block out) or 75.22 + 25.07 (30 min post flight pay) so a 4 day trip worth 25 hrs would pay 25*100.29+50.15 (75.22 for 1.5 int'l)+25.07 = $2582.47 (7747.41 per mo, $92968.92 annually) as opposed to $2507.25 (7521.75 per mo, $90261 annually). Doesn't seem like much but it's not such a big blow say 60% and will probably slide through. It would be in addition to any other pay raise that would be negotiated not the sole basis of our pay rates. We preflight and in some case post flight for free and should be compensated for it and many other tasks we perform while not on the clock that's all I'm saying. Ideas???
Looking back in 2009 for ER and 88 I'd done about $17K+ and if that'd been 3rd year pay thats $21K extra. Go 88! If you carry that out to say 12th year 88 CA pay you could be looking at somewhere between $40K-$50K extra or somewhere between $30M-$40M for Captains alone on the 88 alone.
02-20-2010 | 07:24 PM
#203
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From: Light Chop
Just a way to show what you make per hr of duty and per hr for TAFB if you amortize you pay over those two statistics.
FtB, did you get the Flightline tax summary. It will show you duty hrs and tafb for the year. Of course you are on reserve so maybe someone that flew a line can send some data our way and we can use that as an example. Anyone?
FtB, did you get the Flightline tax summary. It will show you duty hrs and tafb for the year. Of course you are on reserve so maybe someone that flew a line can send some data our way and we can use that as an example. Anyone?
02-25-2010 | 05:22 PM
#204
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From: Light Chop
Okay, are the rates below (for 2013-2017) acceptable if it came with the following:
fyi, 2012 rates are what we will have in 2012 with the current PWA and then 5% thereafter. Note, I made the E195 and E190/CRJ900 rates identical. 1st year rates are shown for example.
- All 71 seat and larger aircraft will be flown by mainline pilots, and
- Improved (near as ironclad as possible) widebody international scope to combat codeshares and JVs.
fyi, 2012 rates are what we will have in 2012 with the current PWA and then 5% thereafter. Note, I made the E195 and E190/CRJ900 rates identical. 1st year rates are shown for example.
02-25-2010 | 06:42 PM
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02-26-2010 | 06:56 AM
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From: Kickin’ Back
I say make the 2014 rate the 2013 rate and then add on yearly from there. I would find that acceptable along with scope protections and other improvements.
By the way, I wouldn't accept the Capt. 767er rates as posted. The is to much consistancy with them!
Denny
By the way, I wouldn't accept the Capt. 767er rates as posted. The is to much consistancy with them!
Denny
Last edited by Denny Crane; 02-26-2010 at 06:59 AM. Reason: added text
02-27-2010 | 01:50 PM
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FTB,
Not to be a critic, as it appears as though you put quite a bit of time and effort into the pay tables, but a list of aircraft for the captain's pay "didn't take". Unless of course you'd intended for the Captains on said aircraft to not get a pay raise this next contract. (I KEED.)
Otherwise, looks good. Monetarily speaking, a 5% pay raise exceeds the cost of living increases and inflation by a small margin, but it's a start. Along with other contract "enhancements", we'll be on our way to "reacquiring" what was lost in bankruptcy filing.
Signed,
GJ
Not to be a critic, as it appears as though you put quite a bit of time and effort into the pay tables, but a list of aircraft for the captain's pay "didn't take". Unless of course you'd intended for the Captains on said aircraft to not get a pay raise this next contract. (I KEED.)
Otherwise, looks good. Monetarily speaking, a 5% pay raise exceeds the cost of living increases and inflation by a small margin, but it's a start. Along with other contract "enhancements", we'll be on our way to "reacquiring" what was lost in bankruptcy filing.
Signed,
GJ
02-27-2010 | 05:29 PM
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From: Light Chop
FTB,
Not to be a critic, as it appears as though you put quite a bit of time and effort into the pay tables, but a list of aircraft for the captain's pay "didn't take". Unless of course you'd intended for the Captains on said aircraft to not get a pay raise this next contract. (I KEED.)
Otherwise, looks good. Monetarily speaking, a 5% pay raise exceeds the cost of living increases and inflation by a small margin, but it's a start. Along with other contract "enhancements", we'll be on our way to "reacquiring" what was lost in bankruptcy filing.
Signed,
GJ
Not to be a critic, as it appears as though you put quite a bit of time and effort into the pay tables, but a list of aircraft for the captain's pay "didn't take". Unless of course you'd intended for the Captains on said aircraft to not get a pay raise this next contract. (I KEED.)
Otherwise, looks good. Monetarily speaking, a 5% pay raise exceeds the cost of living increases and inflation by a small margin, but it's a start. Along with other contract "enhancements", we'll be on our way to "reacquiring" what was lost in bankruptcy filing.
Signed,
GJ
Damn. It would save money though!
Could be worse...
I updated the table and put it below, thanks for telling me, every other row of the Captain table was looking at a blank rate increase over the miserly 5% I had inserted.
I wonder what it'd look like if I did a 20% bump 1st year, 5% thereafter...
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